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iOS Acoustic Piano apps that allow "half-pedaling" - are there any?
I have Ravenscroft, that doesn't (confirmed by the developer).
I have Korg Module and also in that app, Ivory, which I am not sure about as I cannot find a control so it might - I bought the KM expansion pack that allows MIDI learn and splits etc, but I can find nothing in that.
So, yeah does anyone know of any that do?
Reason is I am tossing up between running an iPad mini on stage and the PC (Intel NUC). NUC is much more complicated as it needs a screen and M/K, whereas Mini is "all in one:.
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No half-pedaling on iOS, unfortunately.
I also suggested UVI to add this in Ravenscroft as an IAP, but get no answer :-)
We have to wait for PianoTeq which is under way...
Ok thanks Paulo - I suspected as much. I cannot figure why though, it's just another controller, no different really to using an expression pedal.
What change in sound does half-pedaling provide?
Since the sound of the "samples" must change to do this then the Piano App must have recordings of those altered string sounds across the keyboard. It's not just a knob twist
tied to a foot pedal position.
PianoTeq models pianos mathematically and can add this additional "pedal position" parameter to the calculations and render string sounds in various states of "dampening".
If the "sustain" sounds in UVI's Ravenscroft are a result of DSP processing then perhaps they could create degrees of sustain processing and give this control to the player. But I suspect they are recordings of strings in free vibration with some DSP applied for sympathetic resonance effect.
Half pedaling is not something I’ve ever been able to master, so don’t really try. It’s interesting, but maybe somewhat of a niche sound for the majority of people.
However, I agree with @McD - it’s a sound that would probably require its own set of samples, so wouldn’t be something that could be provided by a controller alone.
Sorry but I believe you may have the wrong end of the stick there. It has nothing to do with the samples, well not in Pianoteq at any rate. It is a CC control that "mimics" a real piano where the strings are only partially "undamped". The control (CC64) simply sets a level of sustain, as in allows the ADSR envelope to fully decay as long as the pedal is pressed. In "half pedalling" where the CC64 is getting activated at >64 instead of 127, this ADSR envelope is allowed to decay but only to a certain point. And yes the sound source (or App) must have this setup in it's software, but it is not in the samples!
You should try and practice it, along with sostenuto it gives a dramatically increased piano playing performance! For the listener as well as the player.
True. Pianoteq does not download ~5GB of recordings to render a piano like UVI's Ravenscroft and many other piano apps do.
Yes. CC's are just MIDI events that move knobs. If "sustain" was implemented in an ADSR (which is DSP processing) you'd be correct. But sustain in the sample playing pianos just tells the app to ignore "Note Off" events and keep the samples ringing. ADSR is a synth concept that can be applied to the envelope of the sample but it would be a synth sounding piano since no physical piano follows some arbitrary adjustable volume envelope. The string is hammered and ringers until the damper comes down (by default with the key rising) or suspended in air with CC=64 ON. When CC=64 does off the damper is applied across the keybed of active notes.
You could attach an LFO to MIDI CC=64 and the MIDI spec tells the implementer to turn sustain on for values > or equal to 64 and off for values < or equal to 63.
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Anyway... I hope we see PianoTeq this year but I do expect them to hold their pricing at a premium and I think they deserve it or we would see a dozen competitive products to drive down prices.
If anyone looks deeply into AudioLayer which exposes the controls of a sample played instrument you will see that applying ADSR controls to piano samples you can get some tone adjustments that are really cool but not quite like a subtly controlled half damper.
It's also worth considering that the audience for this feature is pretty small and many digital pianos cater to this market with sophisticated keypads and complex sample sets. Prices range from about $1000 to $5000 to really meets the needs of the concert pianists.
Maybe @LinearLineman will weigh in on the physical side of pianos since he has owned many top notch digital controllers and is now more interested in a controller that can put Aftertouch and MPE (MIDi Polyphonic Expression) into his hands to send more controls to his saxophone, violin and cello modeling apps (like SWAM and GeoSWAM).
Anyway thanks for your question and I hope you start to appreciate that CC 64 is NOT the only adjustment UVI needs to make to really capture the effect of hand pedaling.
yeah, all true! And Hi-Res MIDI comes into it as well. Not to mention changes in the MIDI 2 spec. I echo the sentiment re PT on iOS. All I can get from them is it is in progress haha!
I'd be happy to buy it again for iOS. I use it on PC at the moment.
I know it has levels of commitment... what feature set have you purchased?
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Then there are 21 instruments to choose from (and to add for extra $'s).
Tell us what you use and recommend. I guessing they might start with a limited version for
IOS since the system and OS capabilities are not equal to a good desktop/laptop system.
But they do have a product out that runs on Raspberry Pi's so who knows.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14xbI4iKRR5cKc3n-qER9-9CAdx-utPxzewIEk4NgpTE/edit
I have just the Stage - that other level of control is WAY above my pay grade hahaha! I have Grotrian module as well as the Steinway. Looking at the Steinway B as a possible addition.
For me, those two models cover it. with the variations possible. Maybe add the Upright module perhaps.
To be totally honest if they released an iOS version with just the Steinway and the basic K2 would be fine imo.
It will be great when they finally ship something for us.
Can't wait for Pianoteq iOS - Electric PIano's too, so playable...