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Best guitar pedal simulation in 2022?

edited January 2022 in General App Discussion

hello Forum,

I have bought myself the last few days into the THU rigs. Because I have a lot of old guitar sim purchases from years back, I was investigating what would work best in AUM in conjunction with the THU rigs. The price strategy of THU is in my opinion also a bit agressive, so I don´t want to buy other stuff than Choptones rigs. Single pedals should cost 1 euro instead of 5, and the package deals give a lot of stuff I don´t need.

So I tried the pedals I have access to in Tonestack (v2), Jamup Pro, and Bias FX (v1). The pedals I bought in Jamup probably have moved to Bias FX automaticaly, I can't rember buying them again.

I have to say I am not really fond of a lot of gain, the (Fender) THU rigs sound good enough already. But for the sake of the experiment I tried them anyway. And my conclusion is they all sound vanilla or generic in my ears. I also tried a few free Nembrini pedals (TS, Klon), and I think they sound better. And I tried Mooer GE lab, but this created static noises.

So my question is, who knows more about this, are the older pedal sims from years back really outdated, or is it my ears that don´t hear a difference. Or is the whole concept of a pedal sim a bit flawed anyway. And is Nimbrini indeed a lot better, or is this my imagination.

The Nembrini single pedals are native AUM and this is the most clean solution to use in AUM, the other apps always give a whole chain of pedals, amphead, speaker, for only one pedal you have to bypass all the other stuff in the efx chain.

Comments

  • You could also use a multi channel/ multi amp set up in AUM with your preferred amps at different levels of gain.

    For modulation/reverb/ delay etc there’s tons of options

    It also depends what types of sounds your after, we all hear things differently so experimentation is the only way to determine what’s right for you.

    The beauty of AUM for me is that you can use anything and everything in multiple signal chains and just experiment until you find something that makes you happy.

    Traditional amp into MiRack or drambo can be very inspiring.

    MIDI guitar 2 gives you endless possibilities to colour your sound.

  • IMHO: TH-U is like AUM for guitar. You can build amazing configs and never leave the app.
    For me it re-creates the classic Fender, Vox and Dumble tones I would pursue with expensive hardware. I tend to focus on the amps and speakers... a great amp doesn't need any pedals. Most pedal are cheaper ways for people with cheap amps to either get closer to the good equipments tones or to produce those tones at a volume level that you can use in an apartment.

    Anyway... we have more choices now than anyone really needs. I stopped buying after investing in TH-U. I think I'm covered now.

  • I think you can complement TH-U with some regular effects apps: for example FAC Chorus, or Timeless 3, to create your own bespoke effect chains. No need to use a one of the older amp sims for this, they won't sound as good as a dedicated effect app IMO.

    Chow Centaur makes a pretty nice overdrive. The Nembrini Tube Screamer (808 overdrive) is also pretty good.

  • edited January 2022

    Thanks for the responses. I forgot to mention, I tested mainly OD, distortion and fuzz pedal sims, to warm up the signal before it enters the Choptones rig. And then I didn´t hear much difference between the same type of pedals.

    With the X-mas sales I did buy some Eventide and Bleass apps, and some stuff from Sugar Bytes and Audio Damage. Even a Fabfilter EQ, Pro-3 or something.

    I think i will just erase the older amp sims from my Ipad, and look forward and keep it simple, with only a few AUM Overdrive pedals. It´s a cliché, but, less is more.

  • I think it’s just a matter of preference.

    A good friend of mine just gave me a MOOER GE-200 multi-effects pedal and it sounds amazing! I didn’t realize it at first, but MOOER also makes the GE-Labs app, and after reading through the manual, discovered that we can create patches with the app and then load them onto the pedal. You can also download patches and IR samples (Impulse Response files - samples of classic, vintage, and popular amps, cabinets, and effects!) and load them all onto the pedal. (To which there’s limited empty slots).

    So now that I own the actual MOOER pedal, I’ll be going all in on the GE-Labs app! I think the cool thing about the app is that you get EVERYTHING up front! (All of the amps, cabinets, and effects.) Where they charge you is in the amount of storage/save slots.

    With that, THU is also good, but can become very expensive if you start buying all the different rigs. I say find one or two you like and stick with them (just like a real guitar amp! Back in the day, I didn’t show up to band practice with a different amp every time!)

    NEMBRINI also makes very high quality amp and effects sims!

  • Nembrini PSA1000 is all the warming you’ll need.

  • okay, thanks, the PSA1000 looks promising! Too bad I just missed the 50% discount...

  • @raabje said:
    okay, thanks, the PSA1000 looks promising! Too bad I just missed the 50% discount...

    If you haven't run Chow Centaur, it is first class. You can use a couple in series if you want more distortion than a single instance provides.

  • edited January 2022

    Chow Centaur is perfect! It pump ups the Rig sound a lot with just that little bit of distortion. Thanks guys for this tip. I was fooling around with the settings, as it seams in mono it sounds better. Neural/Traditional, that is a matter of taste.

    The Nembrini stuff, I watched the demo videos, looks and sounds promising. My only reservation is, so much knobs and buttons to tweak, and I like a dry and direct guitar sound most, so stereo spreading and mid/side is not for me. But this app has a lot of potential, for a whole range of instruments. And it is loved by a lot of peope, so it must be good.

    I think I will get the bundle with the junior version too at some point. And the Boss pedal, the clone of the Marshall Guv'nor, or the Bluesbreaker (?).

    I have this T-rex Quint Machine hardware pedal to play bass on my guitar, and I think the PSA1000 jr. will do wonders on that signal in AUM.

    And then I wil block my own creditcard for a while and stop buying and start making music.

  • @raabje said:
    And then I wil block my own creditcard for a while and stop buying and start making music.

    Many have tried. All have failed… (e.g. now I have to go check out Chow Centaur)

  • @Schmotown said:

    @raabje said:
    And then I wil block my own creditcard for a while and stop buying and start making music.

    Many have tried. All have failed… (e.g. now I have to go check out Chow Centaur)

    Chow Centaur is free :)

  • @richardyot said:
    Chow Centaur is free :)

    Thanks! Just downloaded.

  • @raabje said:
    Chow Centaur is perfect! It pump ups the Rig sound a lot with just that little bit of distortion. Thanks guys for this tip. I was fooling around with the settings, as it seams in mono it sounds better. Neural/Traditional, that is a matter of taste.

    The Nembrini stuff, I watched the demo videos, looks and sounds promising. My only reservation is, so much knobs and buttons to tweak, and I like a dry and direct guitar sound most, so stereo spreading and mid/side is not for me. But this app has a lot of potential, for a whole range of instruments. And it is loved by a lot of peope, so it must be good.

    I think I will get the bundle with the junior version too at some point. And the Boss pedal, the clone of the Marshall Guv'nor, or the Bluesbreaker (?).

    I have this T-rex Quint Machine hardware pedal to play bass on my guitar, and I think the PSA1000 jr. will do wonders on that signal in AUM.

    And then I wil block my own creditcard for a while and stop buying and start making music.

    A couple of the Nembrini OD pedals are free, the Centaur clone, 808, Rat I think. I have The Boss which I like on synth and drums. There’s a regular round of 50% sales, good value at that point.

  • @raabje . I just want to mention that the Choptones rigs are meant to model complete "rigs", pedals, amp, and cab. Although the cabs can be disabled and replaced with IRs. So you may be missing something if you're just using the amp. The different options in the rig may give you the sound you're looking for.

  • edited January 2022

    @uncledave said:
    @raabje . I just want to mention that the Choptones rigs are meant to model complete "rigs", pedals, amp, and cab. Although the cabs can be disabled and replaced with IRs. So you may be missing something if you're just using the amp. The different options in the rig may give you the sound you're looking for.

    Ok thanks, indeed the whole signal chain is captured in the rig. On different gain levels and with or withoud pedals in front. So the rig should be enough already, as a closed box system. No real need to tweak with pedals in front of the rig.

    to recap:

    I was just wondering, I have this amp sims from way back (Tonestack/Jamup Pro/BiasFX), are they still on par with todays more modern technology? When I tried this with OD and other gain pedals before THU in AUM my conclusion was that the pedals sound mostly the same, no mather what funky picture was shown on the screen, and they did not improve anything. And from this experience the discussion went to what pedal sims could make a difference.

    But I agree with you that the rig file should do most of the work for a proper and convincing guitar sound.

  • Tonestack Pro is a newer version, AUv3, and I luve those funky pictures too.

    You might take a look at the recent Rhino amp sim. It has multiple preamps, pretty good built-in FX, IR cabs built-in and user-loaded. It has an interesting GUI, with six tiled panes containing the basic controls. You can open any pane for detailed control of that feature. Presumably it uses current software tech since it's a new product, not a legacy carry-over.

  • edited May 2023

    Don't know if we have a more recent thread than this, but would love to hear from guitar folks who've also tried ToneX. And if they feel it beats the other iOS amp sims.

  • The speaker is the heart of your guitar tone. I would invest in a good set of cab ir files (impulse response)

    Something like this https://www.ownhammer.com/store/

    If your new to ir read this https://producelikeapro.com/blog/best-guitar-impulse-responses/

  • @joegrant413 said:
    Don't know if we have a more recent thread than this, but would love to hear from guitar folks who've also tried ToneX. And if they feel it beats the other iOS amp sims.

    I have TH-U with some great rigs and quite a few Nembrini sims..and Ownhammer IRs. I was very happy with them and initially lukewarm on TONEX, but these days I use TONEX 90% of the time. I sometimes load my favorite Ownhammer IRs into it, but there are a few cabs in TONEX that I like quite a bit.

  • Specter sound studio gave two vey nice free cab IR at Christmas.

  • edited May 2023

    The OP here, when I read back my question I feel a bit silly :)

    I am further now, and I settled with Nembrini for convenience, with all the knobs. And the TH-U rigs for sound quality. I don't like the TH-U rig interface, and I did design a Mozaic knob interface to make it easier. For a quick jam I always choose Nembrini.

    The thing is, for me, I am always curious for apps and stuff that I don't own, and when I finally own it, the appeal disappears quickly. Now I know better, so I am not that interested anymore in what is the "best" when it comes to amp and pedal simulation. What I do like is high quality efx, like special reverbs, delays and pitch shifters

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