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Spotify invests in military AI

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  • wimwim
    edited January 2022

    I'm tempted to keep this up, but I'm sure I've already pissed off @supadom for making light of the topic. (Sorry)

    It was a joke. I'll show myself out.

  • SimonSimon
    edited January 2022

    @supadom said:
    How is it that these type of discussions unavoidably end in shrugs and jokes?

    What reaction were you expecting?

  • supadomsupadom

    @wim said:
    I'm tempted to keep this up, but I'm sure I've already pissed off @supadom for making light of the topic. (Sorry)

    It was a joke. I'll show myself out.

    Haha, no worries I’m not that thin skinned at all, just direct. I just had a long overdue band practice so I’m in a super good mood.

    To hell with rebellion, let’s party!! 🎈 🎉 🍰 💃

  • supadomsupadom

    @Simon said:

    @supadom said:
    How is it that these type of discussions unavoidably end in shrugs and jokes?

    What reaction were you expecting?

    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    As I said, hippies are condemned to extinction and irrelevance. It was a lustrous miasma, but better things have come along, like Chipotle and social media.

  • kidslowkidslow

    @tja said:
    Which alternative to Spotify, Apple and Amazon offers all the old albums from the 70s and 80s?

    Your local charity shop?

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @wim said:
    This whole thing is a misconception. The military AI in question is just Spotify improving playlist recommendations for troops on the battlefield.

    Sure, they may become marginally more deadly if they don't have to be distracted fine-tuning things like that, but we have to take into account their wellbeing and happiness as well. I see it as a benefit for both sides to have better soundtracks for battlefield actions.

    Seriously? i thought it was a security and artificial intelligence company aiming to achieve global technology leadership in real-time information processing, turning unstructured sensor data into information advantage for democratic governments. I am pretty sure they aim to provide the clearest picture possible in any operating environment and that their software will employ artificial intelligence to combine data from infrared, video, sonar, and radio frequencies gathered from military vehicle sensors to generate a real-time picture of battlefields. i could be wrong though.

    Nope. That's just smoke and mirrors to jack up the price of any eventual Pentagon contract awards. You trusting Canadians just don't understand how things really work in the military industrial complex here in the US.

    😂

  • Blipsford_BaubieBlipsford_Baubie

    I like this a lot and am all for> @AudioGus said:

    @tja said:
    Which alternative to Spotify, Apple and Amazon offers all the old albums from the 70s and 80s?

    I need playlists and like public playlists.

    Also downloading stuff for when I'm offline is required.

    I don't really need lossless.

    I subscribe to Youtube Music. I like!

    https://music.youtube.com/

    +2 for YT music, especially if looking for the obscure. But –2 of you’re on iOS and need to EQ YTmusic. EQ if only available natively on YT music if you’re on Android.

  • PandanPandan

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

  • supadomsupadom
    edited January 2022

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will have no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited January 2022

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

  • supadomsupadom

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Yes, I don’t think we’ve changed much but the world around us has changed massively. A lot has to be said for the evolutionary spirit of adaptability but…while our software (psychology) adapts reasonably quickly, but physiology (brains) evolves slowly I expect is still quite similar to what they were 2000 years ago. Probably that’s why we’re so focused on our next meal as opposed to the (disputable) incoming extinction.

  • purpan2purpan2

    On a serious note, supadom, I'd also say thanks for the information. I haven't used Spotify, but there's no way I'd use it now I know their ethics. Thank you for the insight. The world already has too many weapons in the name of so-called "defence".

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    I've heard that but I was still talking big picture.

  • ervinervin

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    Yeah, but that's just the growth. The population itself is currently predicted to keep growing until the early 2060s and peak then, so virtually every one of us in this forum will never ever live in a world with declining population. 🤷

  • NeuMNeuM

    @ervin said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    Yeah, but that's just the growth. The population itself is currently predicted to keep growing until the early 2060s and peak then, so virtually every one of us in this forum will never ever live in a world with declining population. 🤷

    Come to California. There are currently more people leaving than arriving. ;)

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @NeuM said:

    @ervin said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    Yeah, but that's just the growth. The population itself is currently predicted to keep growing until the early 2060s and peak then, so virtually every one of us in this forum will never ever live in a world with declining population. 🤷

    Come to California. There are currently more people leaving than arriving. ;)

    No doubt moving to Arizona for those sweet waterfront deals.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2022
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  • NeuMNeuM
    edited January 2022

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ervin said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    Yeah, but that's just the growth. The population itself is currently predicted to keep growing until the early 2060s and peak then, so virtually every one of us in this forum will never ever live in a world with declining population. 🤷

    Come to California. There are currently more people leaving than arriving. ;)

    No doubt moving to Arizona for those sweet waterfront deals.

    Arizona, Idaho, Texas (many businesses and people have relocated here), Florida... all of those.

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited January 2022

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ervin said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    Yeah, but that's just the growth. The population itself is currently predicted to keep growing until the early 2060s and peak then, so virtually every one of us in this forum will never ever live in a world with declining population. 🤷

    Come to California. There are currently more people leaving than arriving. ;)

    No doubt moving to Arizona for those sweet waterfront deals.

    Arizona, Idaho, Texas (many businesses and people have relocated here), Florida... all of those.

    whoops, meant to say ocean front ;)

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ervin said:

    @NeuM said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Pandan said:

    @supadom said:
    I was expecting some of the folks here cancelling their subscription with Spotify. Ah, naive me…now I truly can call myself a hippie. I’m probably just old enough.

    Hey supadom, I personally appreciate when folks start threads like this one. I personally feel like we all could do well to know more about where our dollars are going and if they are going to things we don’t want them to. I’m definitely down with ethical spending and looking at the bigger picture.

    There’s always gonna be a contingent that doesn’t like having these kinda threads pop up and will voice their displeasure with it rather than just move on to another thread, but that’s the internet for ya. Just the same there might be a less vocal amount who will find benefit to these threads and whatever info is shared.

    Personally, I stopped subscribing to Spotify when my student discount lapsed as I was fine losing it in exchange for ads, but thanks to the info you’ve shared, I’m less likely to want to use it at all. Doesn’t do anything to sway Spotify either way, but to me, the result or impact of my actions isn’t the only standard or reason to why I take any particular action.

    But you never know—your sharing this might be a spark to a spark to a spark of real change, which usually takes the smallest of sparks as opposed to a huge fire right off the bat.

    So maybe keep doing what you do, if maybe keeping your expectations of what the resulting thread is gonna look like in check. You can never control that, and sometimes the din of the vocal majority isn’t the true measure of its impact. (In a lot of cases better to ignore it, if just for the sake of your mental health!)

    Cheers.

    Thank you!

    I’m actually more bothered by people behaving as if all this was some kind of virtual experience that will no impact on lives of theirs or their children, let alone the whole moral side of the story.

    If I had kids I am sure my perspective would be very different but for me the people of two hundred years from now are no different than the people from two hundred or two thousand years ago. If I were instantly transported to ancient Rome would I start calling out the injustices and cultural problems around me? Heck no, I would try to find some cozy little vineyard somewhere to try and live out my life as comfortably as possible.

    Personally I feel more like a messenger. I pass on the information I feel is relevant, try to answer some posts as a responsible OP, but that’s where it ends. I’ve seen too many discussions just evolving into pointless battle grounds not leading to any tangible solution.

    I’ve just been invited to join XR news and discussion FB group and in the first 2 days have been exposed to enough online aggression to last me for the rest of 2022. The last one was about pros and cons of electric cars. It was a battlefield I tell ya! That was amongst like minded individuals coming from the same side of the political spectrum.

    I don’t think humans are truly ready to face the amount of information thrown at them. No surprise there, only 30 years ago we only had a TV to fall back on for news, 100 years ago most houses didn’t have indoor toilets and 200 years ago telephone wasn’t even a thing. We’re doing our best but god…aren’t we confused!

    So yep, life goes on, it seems we are experiential learners, ie learning on our mistakes, despite all the modelling tech we have available ;)

    Plus we are all mortal yet global population is growing like a (insert simile here) and we want to live like kings but always feel these ever increasing insane daily miracles (info on demand, products on demand, travel as fast as humanly possible on demand) are simple ‘standards of living’. Oh yah, this will last, lol.

    Global population growth is shrinking and that trend continues for decades. The trend in many countries is negative growth.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/negative-population-growth-1435471

    https://news.yahoo.com/u-population-growth-falls-record-151935964.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/america-looking-down-barrel-population-105514944.html

    Yeah, but that's just the growth. The population itself is currently predicted to keep growing until the early 2060s and peak then, so virtually every one of us in this forum will never ever live in a world with declining population. 🤷

    Come to California. There are currently more people leaving than arriving. ;)

    No doubt moving to Arizona for those sweet waterfront deals.

    Arizona, Idaho, Texas (many businesses and people have relocated here), Florida... all of those.

    whoops, meant to say ocean front ;)

    Either way, people are fleeing California like it was the Titanic.

  • SimonSimon

    @NeuM said:
    Either way, people are fleeing California like it was the Titanic.

    Because...?

  • supadomsupadom

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Either way, people are fleeing California like it was the Titanic.

    Because...?

    Because it’s gentrified and expensive.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @supadom said:

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Either way, people are fleeing California like it was the Titanic.

    Because...?

    Because it’s gentrified and expensive.

    I heard Rogan say the crime is nuts and some streets are like the walking dead.

  • steve99steve99

    @tja said:

    @tja said:
    Which alternative to Spotify, Apple and Amazon offers all the old albums from the 70s and 80s?

    I need playlists and like public playlists.

    Also downloading stuff for when I'm offline is required.

    I don't really need lossless.

    YouTube Premium or only YouTube Music seem to be alternatives, as @AudioGus wrote.
    But I would like to support smaller and more likeable companies than the unholy Trinity of Apple, Amazon and Google.

    I found Deezer, Last.fm, SoundCloud, Tidal (no family option) and Quobus (too expensive).

    Spotify has a clean list of albums, compilations and singles, sorted chronologically.
    I could not find a suitable option on the websites of Last.fm and SoundCloud.
    The best option seems to be Deezer.

    I did not yet check the Apps for those, only the websites.

    Most alternatives cost about 10 euro or 15 to 16 euro for a family option.
    Deezer seems to be similar generous in regards to the definition of a family as Spotify, YouTube is problematic in this regard...

    Any arguments against Deezer, compared to Spotify?

    Other alternatives?

    I used Tidal on a 3 month trial, seemed pretty good. UI very similar to Spotify. I believe they pay more to artists.

  • steve99steve99
    edited January 2022

    I used Tidal on a 3 month trial, seemed pretty good. UI very similar to Spotify. I believe they pay more to artists - and I’m pretty sure it did have a family option?

    • sorry, quoted myself instead of editing, need AI to make better decisions on my button pushes.
  • NeuMNeuM

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Either way, people are fleeing California like it was the Titanic.

    Because...?

    If you live here or if you’ve left here, you know it’s largely unaffordable for anyone earning a low or moderate income. If you are earning a high income, it’s hostile to businesses and the threat of vastly increased taxation is constant. Many large businesses have left recently, but also when the small business owners leave, they take the lion’s share of the tax base contributors with them.

    https://www.ktvu.com/news/study-confirms-california-exodus-with-more-people-leaving-the-state-despite-the-pandemic

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited January 2022

    @AudioGus said:

    @supadom said:

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Either way, people are fleeing California like it was the Titanic.

    Because...?

    Because it’s gentrified and expensive.

    I heard Rogan say the crime is nuts and some streets are like the walking dead.

    Here’s something you can do to see exactly how run down things are.

    Take a “virtual tour” of downtown Los Angeles or Santa Monica or other cities in that area using Apple Maps or Google Maps and you’ll see street people, tents and garbage everywhere. I’ve lived here a long time and I have never seen things as bad as they are now. I’m not kidding.

    And crime is spreading from the larger cities to the neighborhoods now, just like it’s happening in New York. The misguided sentencing changes of certain states has resulted in criminals robbing people and businesses right out in the open with no fear of being charged or jailed. It is insane. And there’s only one reason this stuff is happening: A political monoculture with no realistic opposition to challenge these crazy changes in the laws.

    Here’s a randomly selected street: https://maps.apple.com/?address=653 San Julian St, Los Angeles, CA 90014, United States&ll=34.041687,-118.247303&q=653 San Julian St&_ext=EiYpOSv90MIEQUAx+wnanSyQXcA5twAjLekFQUBBOVGO/3qPXcBQAw==&_mvs=CjYJEwzghFEFQUARGKyL79CPXcAZAAD8TzpFRUAhStA3zYQjcEAptI3cFVPYDEAxAAAAAAAAAAASMwoRNjUzIFNhbiBKdWxpYW4gU3QSEUNlbnRyYWwgQ2l0eSBFYXN0GgtMb3MgQW5nZWxlcw==

    And here’s a little taste of Venice Beach: https://maps.apple.com/?address=Venice Beach, Marvin Braude Bike Path, Santa Monica, CA 90405, United States&ll=33.988593,-118.475334&q=Venice Beach&_ext=EiYp6wIKBff9QEAxYnD2ocSeXcA5adgvYR3/QEBBWmUYIBOeXcBQBA==&_mvs=CjYJHHFGGIr+QEARdRFxRGyeXcAZAADI0xGUPsAhVNdH5/7gKEApIiHgtd969T8xAAAAAAAAAAASKgoMVmVuaWNlIEJlYWNoEgxWZW5pY2UgQmVhY2gaDFNhbnRhIE1vbmljYQ==

    And see these “RV’s”? People live in these now. All over California.
    https://maps.apple.com/?address=Bellevue Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90012, United States&ll=34.065314,-118.250423&q=Bellevue Ave&_ext=EiYpcwP9BskHQUAx2n4fwl+QXcA58dgiY+8IQUBBdg4nF66PXcBQBA==&_mvs=CjYJhuwA3lsIQUAR/uEn9gaQXcAZAAC6PUx1VUAhZvfpvbgPbUApW2Qo/5uVFkAxAAAAAAAAAAASKwoMQmVsbGV2dWUgQXZlEg5UZW1wbGUtQmVhdWRyeRoLTG9zIEFuZ2VsZXM=

    Trains being robbed and looted in Los Angeles:

    Or see the documentary style videos of this person:

  • kidslowkidslow

    You left out the smell of urine that permeates the air, especially in large parts of downtown San Francisco.

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