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IMO, the Ownhammer cabs are worth a little effort. First, read this: https://www.ownhammer.com/tutorials/ Then, only use files in the “Summary” folder for your preferred sample rate (i.e. 44.1k). I and others here love the (r)Evolution bundle and I’ve gotten to where I only use one IR from each of the 12 (?) summary cabinets and blends. 12 little files cover a lot of tones beautifully. You could easily settle on just two or three and be done.
Personally, rather than using the "summary" folder I go for the "mics" folder instead. Just my personal preference.
It resembles one of their NA plugins except it isn't part of the Analog Rack Bundle.
What is the native format? For example if loading from an Ownhammer pack which includes many different formats for the same IR, which format to load?
what do you mean by format? use the sample rate that you usually work at. I would recommend using the single channel (mono) one also.
@espiegel123 In my parlance, format includes number of samples and bits per sample and format of the bits. There is a native one for this app I assume, and I want to know what it is.
I am also confused by your question… unless a company needs to use some proprietary format for their IR implementation (Line 6 devices that load IRs for example), IRs are just wav. files. That is all they are. I think you obviously know that.
If you’re asking about bit rate and sample rate, not sure why it matters. Thafknar or any other IR loader app for that matter doesn’t ask and doesn’t care which sample your loaded IR is. It just loads it. Why would there be a “native” format. They can all load 16/24/32 44.1/48/88.2/96, or whatever.
They key as @espiegel123 mentioned is using an IR that is the same sample rate as the project you’re working in. So if you’re in daw working at 44.1 you should be using a 44.1 IR. If you’re using an amp sim like th-u or nembrini and you have it set for 48, then you should load a 48 IR. This is what Ownhammer and other IR developers recommend. Most importantly, besides file size or cpu load, using mismatched IR sample rate is no big deal. Some tests have been done that show mismatching IRs can cause minute pitch fluctuations in the transients, but I doubt most people would notice it at all. Still, the reason Ownhammer sells you four sample rates of the exact same IR, is so that you can match it your project’s sample rate.
Or, did I misunderstand your question?
.WAV is just an envelope. I'm asking about the internal (native) format of the NA IR Loader.
A couple of data points:
https://www.celestionplus.com/ir-instructions/
Celestion packs provide a choice of importing 200 ms files vs 500 ms files and within those folders, there are several options for kHz and Bit rates. There are even choices for different hardware. Line 6, etc.
Speaking of Line 6, it supports 1024 or 2048 samples, 48kHz, 32-bit float, mono. The imported IR will be automatically shortened (or lengthened) to 2048 samples.
I assume NA IR Loader will convert any .WAV file to its own native format.
My question is: What is this native format?
I clicked on the link and it’s very informative, but under the list of brands Celestion services there’s an aesterisk under some denoting…
*The wav file requires a simple conversion to manufacturer-specific format, refer to your documentation for further information on the conversion process.
So some brands have a manufacturer specific format… are you saying that for desktop or iOS there exist several native formats that aren’t manufacturer specific?? It confuses me. Why would Thafknar and the Nembrini IR loader have different native formats? Is the native format arbitrary or dependent on app code? Or they just choose whatever native format they want? I always thought some brands like Line 6, Fractal, require IRs that already have their brand format, they’re not gonna convert it from wav. Ownhammer sells IR packs specifically for those brands. So I guess my question is why does it matter what Nembrini’s native format is, isn’t just gonna take wav. Files and do whatever with them?
Regarding the feature set, I haven’t tried the Nembrini loader yet, but I’ll have to assume it’s pretty primitive and is designed for 200ms mono IRs. I’m not sure about this, but I strongly doubt this loader can take 500ms or stereo IRs, without just making them 200ms mono…
Thanks for this discussion, just trying to understand. I bet Igor will tell you if you email him.
@JoyceRoadStudios yes, it is just a simple question. The choice of internal format is sometimes determined by algorithmic or performance needs. Or legacy. The internal format sets an upper bound on the length and fidelity of the audio transformation. Just wondering.
Got it. Thank you for the explanation. I had the beta for this but didn’t really delve into it beyond a few tests, and have no details on the format etc… Igor is very responsive so unless it’s something secret I’m sure he’ll tell you…
I think it’s clear that developers have their strengths and weaknesses, when it comes to comprehensive feature set, audio quality, fidelity, manuals, visual design, etc… Igor puts out some of the best single amp and single effect masterpieces, that’s the good part…
This is a very good app.
I own the PSA 1000 bundle. Its useful but it had a harshness to it and a lack of dynamics that I did not like.
With the PSA 100jR , the IR Loader and using the Power Amp, the compressor, and the EQ I was able to dial patches right in, EQ out what grated on my ears on the high end. And it made the patches that were posted here some time back, replicating the original PSA patches, actually useful and with dynamics and great tone. Before that for my ears, they were sorta ok. But THU would kick its ass in tone and feel, dynamics..
It was worth the 5 bucks just for that. Try it with the PSA 1000 Jr and all those Plexi patches and turn down the gain some, and its awesome.
I guess you have a better sense of what to expect when using the mic folder vs the mixes. Also there’s all the “room, rear, aux” files that are missing in the summary folder. I really like those for weirder textures. But then you have some really special sounds on the mix folders too, darker, more focused, I remember using one labeled “smoke” that sounded great…
What I’m “trying” to do is go through them and tag the ones I like so I end up (ideally) with a few dozen.
I have a request that I believe makes a lot of sense. Is there a way to get it through to Igor Nembrini?…
When saving presets, the starting point is obviously the IR file. There should be an option to get the name from the loaded IR and use that (optionally) as the preset name. It’d make things so much easier!. As it is I have to check the name on the IR slot and type it in, plus it displays the “%” character on spaces.
Who would have thought that an IR loader could be so much fun? I love this thing. @bobbyj8866 you got me into using the PSA and other Nembrini pedals direct into the loader with the power amp on. They sound great! Only guitar so far. Drums, synths, etc. soon. Where can I find the PSA presets you mentioned?
@richardyot and @tahiche you got me out of the Ownhammer summary folder and into some of the others, like mics. Definitely useful. Thanks.
That’s a good point.
Try his email at [email protected]
@Schmotown You can find the PSA1000 presets here. They're actually AUM App Presets, since PSA1000 has no import/export capability. You can load each one using AUM, and save it in PSA1000 for future use.
Thank you!
I read the product page and watched the demo, but I still have some low-level questions:
When I first got into electric guitar, I bought Bias FX, ToneStack, and Flying Haggis. I didn't have an amp, just my iPad. That was useful for learning about various amps and effects, but since then I've purchased a number of physical amps and pedals. One of these is a Vox pedal that can be configured to run into the power section of an amp. If I send that preamp signal into my iPad (using a Jam Apogee interface), will this Nembrini app take it the rest of the way? Or will I still need some kind of amp sim inbetween?
I'm not expecting the moon for US$5, just wondering what $5 will get me.
Watch @Daveypoo’s video about using cabinet IRs. This app has other features, too.
Do you happen to remember anything more about the title? I looked at @Daveypoo's video channel and searched for daveypoo cabinet ir, to no avail.
@dokwok2
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@toneman88 Beat you to it 😁
Mi dispiace @Daveypoo!
Non ti preoccupare, il mio amico. Tutto va bene 😁👍👍
Lo deve guardare due volte 😆
You would need to acquire some cabinet IRs. A number of us use and recommend the Ownhammer (r)Evolution bundle which are excellent and probably as much as you’ll ever need.
Thank you, @Daveypoo, @espiegel123, @toneman88, and @Schmotown.
It's nice to see Italian on this forum.
Grazie! Sono inglese ma amo la lingua italiana!
Thank you! I’m English but I love the Italian language!
I was worried in case people on here objected to a non-English language post. I’m pleased that at least one person appreciated it. It was meant as a nod to @Daveypoo ’s recent relocation.
Does it come with IR for guitar or you have to have yours?
NA IR Loader comes with 18 built-in
I’m so glad this IR loader doesn’t take zip files. I will never ever import full zip of IRs ever again, unless I’ve broken it down first. As it is I unzip the folders, make much smaller folders, and rezip those to import, as many of us do. If you think the rEvolution bundle has a lot of IRs, there are other Ownhammer IRs where you buy just one cabinet and it’s like 4000 IRs. It’s ludicrous. I have spent about $100 on IRs in the last two years, and if that were to get me only 100-200 IRs total I’d do it again.
What I have realized is that buying several thousand IRs is so counterproductive. My thinking is that you have to know your gear. You must know your guitar, amp, console, pultec rack, whatever, you most know it like the back of your hand so you can predict what it does and how it does it. I see our great and prolific @flo26 use maybe 3 to 5 of the same IRs for years. Obviously he owns thousands. But the point is he knows those 3 to 5 IRs so well, and knows exactly the what and the why of them. He knows his gear. And at that point when you can predict your IR and its behavior because its sound is imprinted in the ear, you can actually evaluate what the amp stage is doing, or all of the other components in your chain. It’s no different than knowing the sound of your guitar cabs as well as you possibly could. It becomes the reference point, or the control of your test.
So when we cycle through and audition amp sims, and are also cycling through IRs, we’re evaluating a different amp/cab pairing constantly, and the thing we don’t like may not be the amp’s fault at all. It could be because we don’t know the IR.
My goal is to audition as many as I can but come up with maybe two dozen IRs that I will memorize the sound of. And stick to them. I understand those who want to explore the microphone specific folders of the IRs, and the cab positioning folders, a lot of merit in that. I’m just proposing that we find a set number of IRs we like, stick to them, and really get to know them. In general a good strategy to combat option paralysis, but really it’s just about “knowing your gear” “crawling into your gear” “ being one with your gear”. Ok goodnight friends.