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macOS Monterey 12.2 and OneDrive problem

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  • I've read that Microsoft is changing the way OneDrive works on the Mac. This is because Apple has deprecated the kernel extensions that were being used and these types of services are supposed to move to using the File Provider extensions. I think that they have don this in their latest update. Microsoft was supposed to have had a recent update to OneDrive that helps with the move and there's supposed to be a further change in beta now because macOS 12.3 will completely remove the kext versions.

    I don't use OneDrive so I can't confirm any of this, but that's the reports I've read.

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  • edited January 2022

    @tja said:
    BTW, I hate that wording "experience" ...

    They also want me to enable some "experience" to be able to import CVS into Excel, which is ridiculous.

    Oh, I'm so with you on this. Marketing BS figures of speech can be toe-curling.

    (Full disclosure: I have similar feelings about "making a beat" and being a "content creator" or "producer", at least for the actual use cases these terms mostly seem to cover.)

  • I always on Mac OS stay 2 updates behind especially for music programs.

  • Microsoft has some new info out about why the decided to change the "Files On-Demand Experience". The link below gives a few details and how MS thinks you should handle things if you want to still keep your files on device.

    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/03/microsoft-responds-mac-onedrive-criticism/

  • @ervin said:

    @tja said:
    BTW, I hate that wording "experience" ...

    They also want me to enable some "experience" to be able to import CVS into Excel, which is ridiculous.

    Oh, I'm so with you on this. Marketing BS figures of speech can be toe-curling.

    (Full disclosure: I have similar feelings about "making a beat" and being a "content creator" or "producer", at least for the actual use cases these terms mostly seem to cover.)

    I’m with you on all of those, plus add “Your call is important to us” messages spoken as if they really mean anything.

  • edited February 2022

    @tja said:
    BTW, I hate that wording "experience" ...

    They also want me to enable some "experience" to be able to import CVS into Excel, which is ridiculous.

    I was just about to mention -- I'm also not too fond of this "blahblah" wording these days. "We" couldn't upgrade your experience. Who the hell is we? It's a computer (or a program running on a server). Error messages are not novels. Simply say "Upgrade failed" ffs, which is 2 words instead of 5 and is just as accurate.

    (I also find "Aw, snap" pretty ridiculous in Google Chrome when it crashes)

    Am I a fun brake? (German idiom) ;)

  • I miss the days of blunt error messages.

    “Your shit stopped working. Try some stuff to fix it.” would be more pleasing than the OneDrive BS.

  • wimwim
    edited February 2022

    I noticed Siri is a lot less chipper on my phone these days. Rather bored sounding and with no cute aphorisms. Much appreciated. Not that I ever use it for anything except setting a timer or reminder, but: "Timer is set for 5 minutes" is so much better than "OK Mike! Five minutes and counting!".

  • @wim said:
    I noticed Siri is a lot less chipper on my phone these days. Rather bored sounding and with no cute aphorisms. Much appreciated. Not that I ever use it for anything except setting a timer or reminder, but: "Timer is set for 5 minutes" is so much better than "OK Mike! Five minutes and counting!".

    It reminds me of the early days of bulk offshoring of call centers. I was working for an international recruiting firm that was providing consultants to figure out how to fix poor customer service ratings. Apparently the company that offshored the call center (I think it was a bank) wanted their Indian employees to understand culture from other countries, so they put them all through cultural training which included how to do small talk. The problem is, many of them misunderstood what the correct context for small talk is and when someone who was mildly irritated called in with an issue the person in India would interject with lots of "The weather has been fine" and "Are you looking forward to the World Cup next year?", which it turns out makes people even more annoyed than just being businesslike.

  • Maybe someone should also make a bash fork that has "friendly" error messages. Something like /bin/foo: command not found sounds far too intimidating and accurate.

    Maybe it should say Hey. Sorry to say, but we couldn't find a program named 'foo' in the folder '/bin'. Would you like us to instead search in the PATH? [ Learn more...] If you would like us to search PATH, please first accept bash's Privacy Policy and Terms of Service..

  • @michael_m said:

    @ervin said:

    @tja said:
    BTW, I hate that wording "experience" ...

    They also want me to enable some "experience" to be able to import CVS into Excel, which is ridiculous.

    Oh, I'm so with you on this. Marketing BS figures of speech can be toe-curling.

    (Full disclosure: I have similar feelings about "making a beat" and being a "content creator" or "producer", at least for the actual use cases these terms mostly seem to cover.)

    I’m with you on all of those, plus add “Your call is important to us” messages spoken as if they really mean anything.

    Fair addition to the list, mate 👍

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  • @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Maybe someone should also make a bash fork that has "friendly" error messages. Something like /bin/foo: command not found sounds far too intimidating and accurate.

    Maybe it should say Hey. Sorry to say, but we couldn't find a program named 'foo' in the folder '/bin'. Would you like us to instead search in the PATH? [ Learn more...] If you would like us to search PATH, please first accept bash's Privacy Policy and Terms of Service..

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh

    My keyboard on the Mac has seemingly no key-repeat, as I just noticed :-O
    Needed to type in all those "h".
    But it does repeat on some other characters.
    Very strange.

    Key repeat is configurable in the Keyboard section of the System Preferences. But, some applications and text entry fields will trap the repeats and some will trap them and kinda turn them in to long presses and pop up an option selector for characters. This text entry box in Safari will pop up a selector for a held e character for example. So, è was typed by holding e and then selecting 1.

  • I don’t use official desktop clients. To work with Dropbox and OneDrive, I use Cyberduck and rclone. Rclone is only good for one-way sync though but is very fast

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Maybe someone should also make a bash fork that has "friendly" error messages. Something like /bin/foo: command not found sounds far too intimidating and accurate.

    Maybe it should say Hey. Sorry to say, but we couldn't find a program named 'foo' in the folder '/bin'. Would you like us to instead search in the PATH? [ Learn more...] If you would like us to search PATH, please first accept bash's Privacy Policy and Terms of Service..

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh

    My keyboard on the Mac has seemingly no key-repeat, as I just noticed :-O
    Needed to type in all those "h".
    But it does repeat on some other characters.
    Very strange.

    Key repeat is configurable in the Keyboard section of the System Preferences. But, some applications and text entry fields will trap the repeats and some will trap them and kinda turn them in to long presses and pop up an option selector for characters. This text entry box in Safari will pop up a selector for a held e character for example. So, è was typed by holding e and then selecting 1.

    Thanks for this information!

    Not sure what to reply.

    It's a nice idea for some who may need or want that.
    But for a physical keyboard, I think that this is a bad default behavior!
    Enablingit by changing a setting, OK ... but as default?
    No.

    Apple again.

    I can't say for sure because I've had this Mac for years now, but I think the default setting for the keyboard is to have repeat on with a moderate initial delay and repeat rate. The long-press trapping behavior isn't OS level as far as I can tell. It seems to be down to how the text entry control is configured. I haven't checked that out though. But, it doesn't happen in an iTerm window for example, even inside emacs or other text editor, with the same OS settings where it does happen in TextEdit or a web form.

  • Seems that you can turn it off system wide by using

    defaults write -g ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false

    in a terminal. You may have to close and reopen an app to get it to take effect in that app.

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Seems that you can turn it off system wide by using

    defaults write -g ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false

    in a terminal. You may have to close and reopen an app to get it to take effect in that app.

    Thanks a bunch!!!
    Going to check this out... also for other default settings 😅

    You're welcome. There are some useful things in the defaults. One of the things I use, but have to look up whenever I need it, is the ability to turn off the throttling on Time Machine backups whenever I need to do an initial system backup. The default is incredibly slow so as not to be disruptive and that makes it very disruptive for hours.

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Seems that you can turn it off system wide by using

    defaults write -g ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false

    in a terminal. You may have to close and reopen an app to get it to take effect in that app.

    Worked like a charm!
    Thanks again

    Could not find any throttle / time machine option.

    That would be because it's in sysctl and not defaults. (I did say I had to look it up every time.) From my notes I have:

    To Speed up Time Machine:

    sudo sysctl debug.lowpri_throttle_enabled=0

    Then after done with the backup do

    sudo sysctl debug.lowpri_throttle_enabled=1

    I only do this when I know there is a ton of stuff to do for the backup. When Time Machine is doing the normal differential updates it's pretty efficient for me in the default state.

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