Audiokit Pro AR909 - Midi learn “Start/Stop”

MikeFloutier

Thanks @espiegel123 ,

1. Yes, the MG2 internal synths are triggered AND send audio to the headset output,
2. The Midi output “plugin” is available AND working in the standalone app BUT not in the AU in AB3, and
3. Restore purchases is not available in either App or AU, in fact in BOTH it clearly states that Midi Output, Plugin and Hosting are bought and paid for.

My feeling is that, as with the absence of User Presets, the absence of Paid For Add-ons in the AU is probably an oversight.

I think, fttb, I’ll follow the solution suggested by others to run MG2 outside AB3, in order to avail myself of the Midi Out option, and just use AB3 to take advantage of its enhanced “Midi-learn” options now that my new IK iRig BlueBoard Midi pedal has just arrived.

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier said:
Thanks @espiegel123 ,

1. Yes, the MG2 internal synths are triggered AND send audio to the headset output,
2. The Midi output “plugin” is available AND working in the standalone app BUT not in the AU in AB3, and
3. Restore purchases is not available in either App or AU, in fact in BOTH it clearly states that Midi Output, Plugin and Hosting are bought and paid for.

My feeling is that, as with the absence of User Presets, the absence of Paid For Add-ons in the AU is probably an oversight.

I think, fttb, I’ll follow the solution suggested by others to run MG2 outside AB3, in order to avail myself of the Midi Out option, and just use AB3 to take advantage of its enhanced “Midi-learn” options now that my new IK iRig BlueBoard Midi pedal has just arrived.

I use it as an AU only and have no trouble using its midi out. If the midi out isn’t working, I think something is not configured right. Make sure the buffer is 256 of lower. If the buffer is 512 or more, midi out doesn’t work.

You can save presets/state in the host.

uncledave

@espiegel123 said:

@MikeFloutier said:
Thanks @espiegel123 ,

1. Yes, the MG2 internal synths are triggered AND send audio to the headset output,
2. The Midi output “plugin” is available AND working in the standalone app BUT not in the AU in AB3, and
3. Restore purchases is not available in either App or AU, in fact in BOTH it clearly states that Midi Output, Plugin and Hosting are bought and paid for.

My feeling is that, as with the absence of User Presets, the absence of Paid For Add-ons in the AU is probably an oversight.

I think, fttb, I’ll follow the solution suggested by others to run MG2 outside AB3, in order to avail myself of the Midi Out option, and just use AB3 to take advantage of its enhanced “Midi-learn” options now that my new IK iRig BlueBoard Midi pedal has just arrived.

I use it as an AU only and have no trouble using its midi out. If the midi out isn’t working, I think something is not configured right. Make sure the buffer is 256 of lower. If the buffer is 512 or more, midi out doesn’t work.

You can save presets/state in the host.

Buffer size is a good point that hasn't been raised up to now. AB3 may be defaulting to a larger buffer and silently upsetting the applecart.

espiegel123

@uncledave said:

@espiegel123 said:

@MikeFloutier said:
Thanks @espiegel123 ,

1. Yes, the MG2 internal synths are triggered AND send audio to the headset output,
2. The Midi output “plugin” is available AND working in the standalone app BUT not in the AU in AB3, and
3. Restore purchases is not available in either App or AU, in fact in BOTH it clearly states that Midi Output, Plugin and Hosting are bought and paid for.

My feeling is that, as with the absence of User Presets, the absence of Paid For Add-ons in the AU is probably an oversight.

I think, fttb, I’ll follow the solution suggested by others to run MG2 outside AB3, in order to avail myself of the Midi Out option, and just use AB3 to take advantage of its enhanced “Midi-learn” options now that my new IK iRig BlueBoard Midi pedal has just arrived.

I use it as an AU only and have no trouble using its midi out. If the midi out isn’t working, I think something is not configured right. Make sure the buffer is 256 of lower. If the buffer is 512 or more, midi out doesn’t work.

You can save presets/state in the host.

Buffer size is a good point that hasn't been raised up to now. AB3 may be defaulting to a larger buffer and silently upsetting the applecart.

MG really needs a warning about that.

MikeFloutier

@espiegel123 said:

@MikeFloutier said:
Thanks @espiegel123 ,

1. Yes, the MG2 internal synths are triggered AND send audio to the headset output,
2. The Midi output “plugin” is available AND working in the standalone app BUT not in the AU in AB3, and
3. Restore purchases is not available in either App or AU, in fact in BOTH it clearly states that Midi Output, Plugin and Hosting are bought and paid for.

My feeling is that, as with the absence of User Presets, the absence of Paid For Add-ons in the AU is probably an oversight.

I think, fttb, I’ll follow the solution suggested by others to run MG2 outside AB3, in order to avail myself of the Midi Out option, and just use AB3 to take advantage of its enhanced “Midi-learn” options now that my new IK iRig BlueBoard Midi pedal has just arrived.

I use it as an AU only and have no trouble using its midi out. If the midi out isn’t working, I think something is not configured right. Make sure the buffer is 256 of lower. If the buffer is 512 or more, midi out doesn’t work.

You can save presets/state in the host.

Well I checked the buffer issue and all my Apps and AUs are set to 256 but MG2 is still not working as an AU.

However, since you are getting it working yourself is an encouragement for me to persevere although, to be honest, my only need for AB3 was for getting AR909 starting and stopping with Midi-learn so I think I’ll keep using MG2 as an App.

My next issue, still almost on-topic, is with the AudioKit AR-909 drum machine. I haven’t been able to figure out a way of getting Midi-learn/setup to allow my BlueBoard BT pedal to scroll around either it’s presets, or it’s 16 alternative patterns within each preset.

I’ve put in a ticket to AudioKit but haven’t had a response yet.

Any ideas?

PS. Thanks so much for all your help guys, it’s so cool and heartwarming for a Midi newbie like me! 🎹🍾❤️

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier said:

@espiegel123 said:

@MikeFloutier said:
Thanks @espiegel123 ,

1. Yes, the MG2 internal synths are triggered AND send audio to the headset output,
2. The Midi output “plugin” is available AND working in the standalone app BUT not in the AU in AB3, and
3. Restore purchases is not available in either App or AU, in fact in BOTH it clearly states that Midi Output, Plugin and Hosting are bought and paid for.

My feeling is that, as with the absence of User Presets, the absence of Paid For Add-ons in the AU is probably an oversight.

I think, fttb, I’ll follow the solution suggested by others to run MG2 outside AB3, in order to avail myself of the Midi Out option, and just use AB3 to take advantage of its enhanced “Midi-learn” options now that my new IK iRig BlueBoard Midi pedal has just arrived.

I use it as an AU only and have no trouble using its midi out. If the midi out isn’t working, I think something is not configured right. Make sure the buffer is 256 of lower. If the buffer is 512 or more, midi out doesn’t work.

You can save presets/state in the host.

Well I checked the buffer issue and all my Apps and AUs are set to 256 but MG2 is still not working as an AU.

However, since you are getting it working yourself is an encouragement for me to persevere although, to be honest, my only need for AB3 was for getting AR909 starting and stopping with Midi-learn so I think I’ll keep using MG2 as an App.

My next issue, still almost on-topic, is with the AudioKit AR-909 drum machine. I haven’t been able to figure out a way of getting Midi-learn/setup to allow my BlueBoard BT pedal to scroll around either it’s presets, or it’s 16 alternative patterns within each preset.

I’ve put in a ticket to AudioKit but haven’t had a response yet.

Any ideas?

PS. Thanks so much for all your help guys, it’s so cool and heartwarming for a Midi newbie like me! 🎹🍾❤️

For midi guitar, can you do a screen recording and show midi guitar on the audio page playing with one of the presets that uses the built in sounds? please show the part of the MG window that shows the noise gate and velocity scaling and play. Then switch to the midi page and open the panel and play some more. Then show the store display so that we can see which IAPs it thinks you have.

MikeFloutier

@espiegel123 said:🍾❤️

For midi guitar, can you do a screen recording and show midi guitar on the audio page playing with one of the presets that uses the built in sounds? please show the part of the MG window that shows the noise gate and velocity scaling and play. Then switch to the midi page and open the panel and play some more. Then show the store display so that we can see which IAPs it thinks you have.

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Just before I do this, when you say “ screen recording“ I take it that you mean just a still picture snapshot, and not a movie, because I’m not sure how to do that 😂

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier said:

@espiegel123 said:🍾❤️

For midi guitar, can you do a screen recording and show midi guitar on the audio page playing with one of the presets that uses the built in sounds? please show the part of the MG window that shows the noise gate and velocity scaling and play. Then switch to the midi page and open the panel and play some more. Then show the store display so that we can see which IAPs it thinks you have.

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Just before I do this, when you say “ screen recording“ I take it that you mean just a still picture snapshot, and not a movie, because I’m not sure how to do that 😂

I mean video. iOS devices can capture videos of what is happening on the screen and captures the audio, too.

You can find instructions on the web. Here are some from Apple support

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207935

uncledave

@MikeFloutier said:
My next issue, still almost on-topic, is with the AudioKit AR-909 drum machine. I haven’t been able to figure out a way of getting Midi-learn/setup to allow my BlueBoard BT pedal to scroll around either it’s presets, or it’s 16 alternative patterns within each preset.

I’ve put in a ticket to AudioKit but haven’t had a response yet.

Any ideas?

PS. Thanks so much for all your help guys, it’s so cool and heartwarming for a Midi newbie like me! 🎹🍾❤️

You can use MIDI notes to select patterns. They start at note 12. That's in the documentation. Not sure about presets. Have you tried sending Program Change messages?

MikeFloutier

@uncledave said: @MikeFloutier said:

You can use MIDI notes to select patterns. They start at note 12. That's in the documentation. Not sure about presets. Have you tried sending Program Change messages?

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Thanks @uncledave that is helpful, I hadn’t seen the option to select patterns (it’s not available in midi learn); where did you find the documentation?

Unfortunately I’m limited in available buttons on my BT pedal so I’m looking for an option for scrolling through the presets/patterns

MikeFloutier

@espiegel123 said:

I mean video. iOS devices can capture videos of what is happening on the screen and captures the audio, too.

You can find instructions on the web. Here are some from Apple support

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207935

That’s brilliant thank you, I’ll try to capture the activity you asked about

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier said:

@espiegel123 said:

I mean video. iOS devices can capture videos of what is happening on the screen and captures the audio, too.

You can find instructions on the web. Here are some from Apple support

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207935

That’s brilliant thank you, I’ll try to capture the activity you asked about

Here is a video where I walk through setting it up. If this doesn't work for you, do a screen recording repeating what I've done

uncledave

@MikeFloutier said:

@uncledave said: @MikeFloutier said:

You can use MIDI notes to select patterns. They start at note 12. That's in the documentation. Not sure about presets. Have you tried sending Program Change messages?

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Thanks @uncledave that is helpful, I hadn’t seen the option to select patterns (it’s not available in midi learn); where did you find the documentation?

Unfortunately I’m limited in available buttons on my BT pedal so I’m looking for an option for scrolling through the presets/patterns

What little there is is on the AudioKit site page linked from the app. It tells what notes select patterns, and what notes select instruments. I believe it may have been discussed in this forum when the app was originally released.

You may be trying to do too much with a 4-button controller. You could certainly use some StreamByter to map the buttons into other functions, but at some point you may be obliged to actually touch the iPad touch screen.

MikeFloutier

@espiegel123 said:

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For midi guitar, can you do a screen recording and show midi guitar on the audio page playing with one of the presets that uses the built in sounds? please show the part of the MG window that shows the noise gate and velocity scaling and play. Then switch to the midi page and open the panel and play some more. Then show the store display so that we can see which IAPs it thinks you have.

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Ok here are videos & pics you mention, in the order asked for:

You mention “store”, in the UK it comes under “Shop” & “plugins”

The Shop shows that I’ve purchased all the add-ins on offer (this shows up in both App & AU)

Plug-ins page show all the built in amps, effects etc. In my App, the Midi Out add-on is shown BUT not in the AU (as you can see from the pics)

Hope this helps.

Ps ok so I see I have to insert urls for videos; here goes 😂 btw not sure what order they are in

MikeFloutier

Try again with videos…

MikeFloutier

Doesn’t seem to have worked I posted a link to my Google Drive video nothing appears, any idea what I’m doing wrong?

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier said:
Doesn’t seem to have worked I posted a link to my Google Drive video nothing appears, any idea what I’m doing wrong?

I suggest uploading to YouTube as an unlisted video and posting a link. It also saves having to download the file to watch

espiegel123

@espiegel123 said:

@MikeFloutier said:
Doesn’t seem to have worked I posted a link to my Google Drive video nothing appears, any idea what I’m doing wrong?

I suggest uploading to YouTube as an unlisted video and posting a link. It also saves having to download the file to watch

Out of curiosity, did you try follow the steps I showed? If so, at what point did your results diverge?

MikeFloutier

Thanks @espiegel123 , here are the YouTube video links, sorry for delay:

By the way, the audio page one has a long section at the start with no activity as I was fiddling around getting ready to play, in the midi page I edited this out but I want to include it it the audio page one as this showed the noise gate setting (which was the same in both; ie zero)

Also sorry I missed your video about setting up, thanks for the reminder, I’ll watch it now and give it a try

MikeFloutier

Ok @espiegel123 i watched you wonderful video, thank you for doing that.

My setup was exactly the same except I used Audiokit Synth One to receive MG2’s Midi Out.

The only difference in our results was that my Receiving synth DIDN’T receive any thing.

What I’d be interested to see, in your setup, is whether your reported Plugins in MG2 AU include MIDI OUTPUT, mine doesn’t, in spite of clearly showing up when MG2 is opened as an App.

MikeFloutier

Ok, well, having tried your Viking Synth AU, as per your setup, it worked fine.

The difference between my setup (ie with Synth One instead of Viking) and yours is ONLY that Viking is an AU whereas Synth One is an App. (Synth One’s App Store description says (right at the bottom) “On the road-map: AUv3 plug-in support.”

Not sure where the issue is but at least it seems clearer that MG2 is sending Midi data Out; although I seem to recall that StreamByter wasn’t registering it; I’ll re-check that…

MikeFloutier

Ok so I did re-check and Midi data Out from MG2 is, YES is showing up in StreamByter.

Any ideas why the Synth One App doesn’t respond to the Midi?

It certainly works fine in other respects, eg. Playing its keyboard and also responding to the “note” function in the AB3 Mixer

uncledave

@MikeFloutier said:
Ok so I did re-check and Midi data Out from MG2 is, YES is showing up in StreamByter.

Any ideas why the Synth One App doesn’t respond to the Midi?

It certainly works fine in other respects, eg. Playing its keyboard and also responding to the “note” function in the AB3 Mixer

Making progress here, good.

How are you connecting to the IAA app?
Which port in Audiobus MIDI routing?
Which port in SynthOne (if it uses ports)?
Are you using the same MIDI Channel?

uncledave

I just tried this, and it works fine, using the IAA app (listed under Apps as either SynthOne or AudioKitSynthOne), or the AudioKit Synth One Virtual MIDI port. I'm using ZOA as MIDI source, but anything else should work the same. The pics show both alternatives. This is using iPadOS 15.3.1 on iPad 6 BTW. Audiobus starts SynthOne with no difficulty. For what it's worth, Link is enabled in SynthOne.

uncledave

By the way, when you start SynthOne as IAA from Audiobus, make sure to open the SynthOne GUI before quitting Audiobus. Otherwise, it will not appear in the Task Switcher and it will just continue running in the background, alone and inaccessible. Audiobus does not, maybe cannot, kill it. Restarting the iPad is the only way to remove it. (I was reminded of this because I almost did it at the end of my testing.)

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier : since the midi is showing up in streambyter, the issue is synth one. Open the settings in synth one and take a screenshot. Make sure background audio is on and set the midi to Omni if it isn’t already.

MikeFloutier

@espiegel123 said:
@MikeFloutier : since the midi is showing up in streambyter, the issue is synth one. Open the settings in synth one and take a screenshot. Make sure background audio is on and set the midi to Omni if it isn’t already.

Many thanks @espiegel123 , here’s a pic, good point, yes to both.

espiegel123

Have you experimented with launch order?

As an experiment, try turning off 'velocity-sensitive MIDI'. And using different launch order than you have been using.

MikeFloutier

@uncledave said:
I just tried this, and it works fine, using the IAA app (listed under Apps as either SynthOne or AudioKitSynthOne), or the AudioKit Synth One Virtual MIDI port. I'm using ZOA as MIDI source, but anything else should work the same. The pics show both alternatives. This is using iPadOS 15.3.1 on iPad 6 BTW. Audiobus starts SynthOne with no difficulty. For what it's worth, Link is enabled in SynthOne.

Thanks @uncledave , I’ll check if I have “Link” enabled. Plus I’ve noted your comments re handling Synth One.

espiegel123

@MikeFloutier : "link" is only relevant to keeping the clock in sync for arpeggiation and synced delays/lfos and shouldn't affect whether notes play or not.