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Which basic DAW for Mac?

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  • edited February 2022

    @tja said:

    @auxmux said:
    Ableton basic version or Bitwig as mentioned. Nothing else is worth it.

    That's a strong opinion😅
    I was already concentrating on Reaper, but now Ableton came back, Cubase was added and you repeat Bitwig.

    I will never be able to decide 😅

    Haha, yeah. I've tried or have licenses for most daws, but I always come back to Ableton. If you're coming from iOS, Ableton is a good transition, especially using Atom etc. It's a mostly modular daw, Bitwig is even more so, because it was created by former Ableton people.

    Also, depends on how you're using. Experimenting/jamming - go for Ableton/Bitwig. Arrangement only - Logic or Cubase 🤮. Fake modular - Reason or FL. 😣

    Mostly joking above, everyone should use the flow that works for them.

    I used Cubasis to arrange my first EP ever on iOS, and it was great. But I'm using Ableton again after getting m1 and using with VCV2.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @tja said:

    @cabo said:
    Cubase Elements is 99,99 € and Ableton Intro 79 €

    I have the Pro / Suite versions and mainly use Ableton these days cause I prefer the workflow

    I tried Ableton, but it requires an account at the company - I don't use such software.

    Now imagine my feelings when I bought a frigging LED lamp in Lidl, and to even switch it on or off (or change the colour), a mandatory registration and login at the company is required to use their app 😄

    They want to switch the lamp for you. What's wrong with that? :D

    😬

    @tja said:
    That would end on a garbage pile... if I cannot return it 😅😅😅

    I did leave a 3 star review on the App Store (3 star for me, being this extremely "nice" and modest person, is already abysmal!). It didn't help that the app constantly presents blocking nag screens before I can actually turn the light on or off 😂

  • edited February 2022

    @tja said:
    I started to watch some videos to help narrow down the list...

    This one was an impressive argument for Reaper:

    Just wanted to share.

    Reaper is fantastic. Before i switched to iOS production i was using it lot and was super satisfied. And that was +10 years ago, it moved forward a lot since then. At it's cheap like shit !

  • @cyberheater said:

    @tja said:
    I started to watch some videos to help narrow down the list...

    This one was an impressive argument for Reaper:

    Just wanted to share.

    I'll be honest that most of those reasons that he says aren't really that relevant to a DAW but that doesn't detract from the fact that Reaper is a great DAW and is very capable.

    I've been using Reason since version 1. It's now on R12. I know it front to back. My advice is if you want to go for Reaper then do it and stick with it. A couple of years from now you will know it inside out and won't need to think how to do something. That has a huge knock on effect on your creativity.

    This. It's an investment. If you want something more casual don't think about it. It's basically the VIM/Emacs of DAWS.

    Though for MIDI/EDM its... not so good maybe.

  • @mulletsaison said:

    @tja said:

    @mulletsaison said:
    I got Harrison MixBus (https://harrisonconsoles.com) after reading about the sound quality in various recording forums. It really does sound pretty great; my workflow is to import mixes or stems from iOS into Harrison for tracking vocals and final mixes. It’s cheap ($89 list and almost always a deal; I think I got it for $39 and recently upgraded to MixBus32c for $49. It’s VERY traditional mixing board kind of DAW, like Logic used to be and ProTools, Digital Performer, etc. I haven’t done any MIDI in it, so can’t comment, but for recording and mixing audio, I like it a lot.

    That seems to be specialized to mixing... not a traditional DAW, or?

    Anyways, it requires also an email adresss to download - so it is the third application that I need a temporary email adress for, which finally just means that I will have look at it only later.
    First come those that do not have this requirement 🤗

    Thanks!

    Sorry to be unclear. What I described is simply my ultra-narrow use of it. It’s got a super robust feature set; absolutely a true DAW that can do pretty much anything you want to do. I am a big fan because:

    • It does sound better or at least great
    • The offers that float around make it remarkably inexpensive
    • Here’s the feature list front their site; I pasted it in at first but it was so long! https://harrisonconsoles.com/product/mixbus/

    Harrison Mixbus is based upon Ardour (which is an opensource DAW), and the underlying technology is very good. For mixing its very good (though I don't love the UI), but for MIDI it's not great sadly.

  • So I visualize music basically in a symphonic staff notation. What DAW would be most natural to that way of working?

    Not like I have experience, just decent high school training a long time ago...

    Sorry to jump in...

  • @wws said:
    So I visualize music basically in a symphonic staff notation. What DAW would be most natural to that way of working?

    Not like I have experience, just decent high school training a long time ago...

    Sorry to jump in...

    Logic and MultiTrackStudio are the desktop DAWs I am familiar with that allow you to enter MIDI using staff notation.

  • @wws said:
    So I visualize music basically in a symphonic staff notation. What DAW would be most natural to that way of working?

    Not like I have experience, just decent high school training a long time ago...

    Sorry to jump in...

    Reaper supports this. I haven't tried it, but some people seem to like it.

    There's also Dorico and Notion->Studio One. I have no idea about how good it is (Dorico is supposed to be good for scoring, though it's too rich for me).

    Apparently this is coming to MuseScore (an open source notation editor), and that it will support VST plugins and MIDI export. If it does that might become an interesting way to start projects.

  • @wws said:
    So I visualize music basically in a symphonic staff notation. What DAW would be most natural to that way of working?

    Not like I have experience, just decent high school training a long time ago...

    Sorry to jump in...

    I don't use Digital Performer myself, so I can't say how good it is for this, but it is supposed to have a good score based system that integrate well with its MIDI and video/film scoring features.

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  • It’s so subjective and no one DAW does it all. I tried switching from Reaper to Ableton but missed too many things that I had got used to and ended up selling Ableton.

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  • MultiTrackStudio also has an iOS version. Just FYI in case it hasn’t been mentioned.

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  • @tja said:

    @Sawiton said:
    MultiTrackStudio also has an iOS version. Just FYI in case it hasn’t been mentioned.

    Yes, that was mentioned - but is that the "same" software?
    I mean, there is also FL Studio Mobile, but that is clearly not the same thing.

    It is very similar, there are a few functional differences but they are almost the same app. The manuals for both versions are available online for comparison and the free version should be enough for you to judge whether you will get on with the interface.

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  • @cabo said:
    Cubase Elements is 99,99 € and Ableton Intro 79 €

    I have the Pro / Suite versions and mainly use Ableton these days cause I prefer the workflow

    I would suggest these two too. I have both Cubase 11 pro and Live 10 Standard (now 11 is out) and they are great.
    You could try the demos and evaluate yourself if you like them, maybe in a “lighter” version…

  • there’s also tracktion waveform and it’s pretty wild and has a completely free version

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  • Since we're now moving a bit from "basic DAW" territory to simply just "DAW", I have to recommend Digital Performer as another candidate too. Someone mentioned this once earlier, I think? But this is a great DAW that not many people use. It's quite popular among film score composers. Used to be very good for linear composition, but now with the new update, it incorporates some of LIVE features that make it more "modern". MIDI/audio editing is excellent. I use it along with Logic because I cannot resist the edu pricing of Logic w/ Final Cut, but when it comes to audio surgery and MIDI experiment, I always use DP.

  • edited February 2022

    for Cubase Elements the dongle seems not necessary as shown on their website, for the two bigger versions it is still required but they're planning to get rid of it completely with the upcoming Cubase 12 version (must be coming within the next few monts)

    and there also is a 30 days trial available for Elements

  • edited February 2022

    @Artj said:
    Since we're now moving a bit from "basic DAW" territory to simply just "DAW", I have to recommend Digital Performer as another candidate too. Someone mentioned this once earlier, I think? But this is a great DAW that not many people use. It's quite popular among film score composers. Used to be very good for linear composition, but now with the new update, it incorporates some of LIVE features that make it more "modern". MIDI/audio editing is excellent. I use it along with Logic because I cannot resist the edu pricing of Logic w/ Final Cut, but when it comes to audio surgery and MIDI experiment, I always use DP.

    Back in the early 2000’s before it was feasible to have Pro Tools at home, I used Digital Performer. It was pretty solid I have to say. Thanks for the memory :)

    I use Pro Tools because it’s second nature at this point and also forced to somewhat by the recording industry, but I also use Ableton Live -sometimes both together with Live as a ReWire slave. Both awesome but so are Cubase and Logic and Reaper really and I’m sure others. Editing audio in Ableton is not really happening. Ableton is more of a creative tool for me.

    I would probably choose Reaper if I had to approach a desktop DAW. I’ve installed and tried it in the past and was impressed. You might have to watch some videos, it is so configurable. I see in Dan Worrall’s relaxing YouTube videos that he uses Reaper and that always gives me an urge to download it again. Their demo policy is great and makes me want to support them.

    Good luck and have fun.

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  • There are very often deals to get Ableton Live Lite free. Some hardware manufacturers include a license, and there are various other ways to get it free, sometimes only needing a one-off registration on a site.

    Just keep an eye out - eventually you will see one.

  • Koala comes with a free Live Lite License.

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  • heshes
    edited February 2022

    @tja said:

    @wim said:
    Koala comes with a free Live Lite License.

    Koala? :-O
    You may probably mean something difference, but I could not find it.
    The App Store or https://www.koalasampler.com no not seem to mention a Live license.

    If you look closely in the product description on the app store you will see it towards the bottom: "* Free copy of Ableton Live Lite included "

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/koala-sampler/id1449584007

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