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What makes good guitar tone? Eye-opening video 😮

Pretty interesting experiment:

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  • 11mins 54 seconds of pure americana :D

  • edited February 2022

    Yep. There are lots of experiments like this (although the air guitar is new to me and brilliant for this purpose!) and they all indicate the same thing: it’s the pickups and their position that make nearly all the difference. String gauge makes almost none. Same for nuts material and bridge saddles. Wood and shape make practically zero difference to the sound.

  • Very interesting video about something known for a long time 😂.

    There's just something missing that is, imho, very important too : the "dream".
    Rare are players who would "prefer" to play an "air" or a "2x4" guitar instead of a Tom Anderson Tele 🙈😅.

    We all can go from an A point to a B point... but driving a luxury car or suffering in an old broken van isn't the same trip 😉.

    Instruments are not just "tools", they're part of the pleasure.

  • Doesn’t this show how to sound like a good tele? How about a hollow body with a piezo inside? How much does that pickup cost by the way since a have a tele? And I don’t have those hands or that amp.

  • @McD said:
    ... And I don’t have those hands...

    Definitely the most important part of the sound !
    Flo26 may lend his Luke to me, with the exact same setup, I'm sure I won't make it sound even 1% as good as he does. 😅

    There's a bunch of videos in which you can ear and see poeple playing on Harley Benton's guitars... and if playing an instrument was just "obtaining a sound", compared to theses objects, every major guitar company would have closed their factories since a long long time. 🤪

  • @Gratouilli said:
    We all can go from an A point to a B point... but driving a luxury car or suffering in an old broken van isn't the same trip 😉.

    Yes of course - playing a well made and well set up guitar is a much nicer experience than playing something that is neither well made nor well set up.

  • This is my favourite comment on the YT page:

  • @richardyot said:
    This is my favourite comment on the YT page:

    Brilliant.

  • The correct answer seems to be Seymour Duncan vintage stack pickups.

  • It does confirm something I have thought for a long time - that people put way too much emphasis on the small details and forget that there are only a small number of things that really affect guitar tone.

    For anyone who has ever changed out a set of pickups i think that would be number one on the list of things that affect tone, but the other things on those lists come a long way behind that in terms of making a difference.

  • I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

  • @Tarekith said:
    I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

    I used to joke that he used Volta piles or leyton jars to power his pedals in order to achieve the purest authentic vintage tone.

  • It puts some interesting perspective on my guitar preferences. I think I'll stop wondering why I like my squire Frankenstein so much. Great video.

  • @JeffChasteen said:

    @Tarekith said:
    I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

    I wonder how he would do in a blind test for that…? :lol:

    Brian May always used to say that there was an optimum amount of charge on the battery to get the right sound from his Deacy amp, so he would switch batteries out to get it right.

  • edited February 2022

    According to his original ambitions it‘s a rather pretending clip ;)

    In short: a guitar is more than the sum of it‘s parts.
    An experience anyone can make in any guitar shop. Pick up 2 identical standard models (same brand) and they (usually) react and sound different.
    The scale of difference (or it’s relevance) may vary with personal preferences, but it’s a common experience... and also the base of „cherry picking“ a great instrument from a budget series.

    String gauge an material does matter a lot, as the 1st is a significant part of resonance, the 2nd is important for the induction process within pickup coils.

  • @michael_m said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @Tarekith said:
    I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

    I wonder how he would do in a blind test for that…? :lol:

    Brian May always used to say that there was an optimum amount of charge on the battery to get the right sound from his Deacy amp, so he would switch batteries out to get it right.

    In theory there is a difference. Somewhat skeptical you could hear it, but I could be convinced otherwise by a well conducted blind test. Power fluctuations can have a range of effects that can sometimes be heard, or have weird interactions on analog equipment. Of course all kinds of things can have weird interactions on analog equipment including the temperature, humidity and your drummer giving it a weird look - so really who can say...

    Now the guy who repeatedly told me there's a difference between FLAC and WAV files can **** off.

  • @cian said:

    @michael_m said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @Tarekith said:
    I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

    I wonder how he would do in a blind test for that…? :lol:

    Brian May always used to say that there was an optimum amount of charge on the battery to get the right sound from his Deacy amp, so he would switch batteries out to get it right.

    In theory there is a difference. Somewhat skeptical you could hear it, but I could be convinced otherwise by a well conducted blind test. Power fluctuations can have a range of effects that can sometimes be heard, or have weird interactions on analog equipment. Of course all kinds of things can have weird interactions on analog equipment including the temperature, humidity and your drummer giving it a weird look - so really who can say...

    Now the guy who repeatedly told me there's a difference between FLAC and WAV files can **** off.

    I can see how under-powering something could have an effect, but I’m definitely skeptical of the battery brand thing.

  • Starving the voltage in a distortion pedal can definitely make a difference. I have a fuzz that can run at 9, 12, or 18 volts and there’s a big change between 9 and 18.

    Another fast way to change your sound is to use a different pick. Cheap too!

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  • I think it says something about my ears that I can rarely discern any difference in tone between guitars. I suppose I can tell the difference by how a well setup and optimized guitar plays easier and creates sounds that make me sound like I know what I'm doing vs. one that comes right out of the box.

    This video is a revelation to me. Instead of seeking to change out my Ibanez RG570 HSH for a different guitar like a Tele I probably can achieve the results I want by seeking higher end pickups.

  • That 2x4 guitar is pretty sweet. I might have to make one of those.

  • @fprintf said:
    I think it says something about my ears that I can rarely discern any difference in tone between guitars. I suppose I can tell the difference by how a well setup and optimized guitar plays easier and creates sounds that make me sound like I know what I'm doing vs. one that comes right out of the box.

    This video is a revelation to me. Instead of seeking to change out my Ibanez RG570 HSH for a different guitar like a Tele I probably can achieve the results I want by seeking higher end pickups.

    Higher end isn’t necessarily better though - I have sometimes found cheap pickups that sound fantastic. Definitely worth adjusting pickups after the guitar has been set up too - height and tilt can make a huge difference to sound, but that is also dependent on what amp you play through.

  • @Tarekith said:
    I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

    Not sure if it was different brands but different types of battery (mainly carbon zinc Vs alkaline) definitely make a tonal difference in certain circuits - fuzzfaces and mk1 tonebenders being the most well-known examples - and there are genuine electronic reasons why.

  • @Telefunky said:
    String gauge an material does matter a lot

    I'd be interested if you can find any experiments that verify that statement. There are many that appear to refute it.

  • @TimRussell said:

    @Tarekith said:
    I remember reading and Eric Johnson interview where he was adamant he could tell the difference in tone between two different battery brands in his pedals. So there’s that. 😂

    Not sure if it was different brands but different types of battery (mainly carbon zinc Vs alkaline) definitely make a tonal difference in certain circuits - fuzzfaces and mk1 tonebenders being the most well-known examples - and there are genuine electronic reasons why.

    Not sure I agree with that. Batteries provide a potential difference, and how they do it shouldn’t matter.

    If it was AC I might agree as the potential difference is RMS of a cycle, but DC from a chemical source should be constant.

  • Some may not care about the difference, for some it may not even matter ... ;)

    If all strings are equal, then how can flatwounds sound different from roundwounds ?
    Strings don‘t even have a constant sound, they do age... rather quickly.
    Tension is an essential and unquestioned part of resonance (not restricted to instruments).

  • @Telefunky said:
    Some may not care about the difference, for some it may not even matter ... ;)

    If all strings are equal, then how can flatwounds sound different from roundwounds ?
    Strings don‘t even have a constant sound, they do age... rather quickly.
    Tension is an essential and unquestioned part of resonance (not restricted to instruments).

    Strings definitely make a difference. If you change the gauge, the tension changes; you have to do a new setup, and that impacts a number of things.

    Lighter strings tend to have more clarity than heavier ones, and that’s something that different types of pickups can also do to the sound.

  • I can’t tell any difference in sound between string brands (of the same gauge), but I can certainly feel it.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    I can’t tell any difference in sound between string brands (of the same gauge), but I can certainly feel it.

  • Strings definitely seem to play a big part even to the brand. I always use DR strings and never really can get the same muddy, blues tone I get with those compared to other strings. Cool video though, although it reminded me of how wobbly my humbucker can be and it drives me nuts cos it likes to tilt lower where my lower strings are and kills my low end

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