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Auria pro , Yamaha Montage, new Track
Here a new old school track inspired by a drum groove of a famous drummer. A few custom Drum samples loaded into Yamahas Ram, the other Sounds are all from Montage. Its easiser for me to create Sounds on such a Keyboard than to fiddle with Apps. I wish Korg wavestate or Roland integra would be ios compatible . Hope I dont bore you too much.
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Respect! Love it!!
Thanks for listening.
Great composition and arrangement!
You have a new follower
Thank you, hope you like some of my tracks
Indeed! Some really nice stuff there. Would love to hear some of it broken out of its box, though
@el_bo : broken out of its box???
I generally have no problem with the sounds of arranger keyboards. Some of the sounds can be quite authentic and those that aren't can still sound good if their strengths are played to, within a good composition/arrangement...which you're clearly capable of doing.
Where I think arranger keyboards still fall short is in providing tools and flexibility towards dynamic and spacious mixes, in which various treatments (eq, verbs, compressors, stereo-manipulation etc.) can be applied to each element (each separate piece of a drum kit, for instance). Without this, the mixes end up a little (for want of a better word) flat.
Again, I don't mean that in a bad way. And it's because I think the music is worth it that I say it.
In terms of breaking out of the box? Hmmmm...
Top tier would be to surround yourself (on keyboards) with real musicians, who have the talent to take your material and fly with it
Middle tier would be to recreate the tracks in a desktop environment, using very good dedicate virtual instruments and FX
Lower tier (But by no means least...tier) would be simply to record each track (even separated by drum types) as stems, to be imported into a DAW so you can leverage the plugins to give some more dynamic and space to the mix.
I hope you take it in the spirit intended
Montage isn‘t an arranger keyboard. Drum are sequenced by lumbeat drummer. Then i played esch stem by hand and quantized single notes. This not made with an entertainer keyboard which generates tracks automatically.
@el_bo : Even the drum-patterns sequenced by funkdrummer are selfmade. Iwould never use an arranger keyboard. I want to play…
Sorry! My mistake. I seem to have mistaken the term for arranger keyboard. I absolutely didn't mean that these had anything to do with auto-accompaniment (Clearly these parts aren't). I was simply referring to this style of keyboard e.g Yamaha SY88 (Had a friend who used to program the hell out of that), Montage, Fantom etc. What are those all-in-one keyboard/sequencer/rompler/recorder type keyboards called?
I have both Funk Drummer and Soft Drummer. I like them both. I think they both offer pretty decent versatility for the amount of sample they are working with. But they can't cover the level of intricacy needed to pull off the drum parts you're programming. The drummers who would typically play such styles of funk and fusion as you're writing would generally be able to access the kinds of subtle differences that Funk Drummer is not able to provide. It's not that the developer wouldn't be able to do so. It's just that that level of sampling starts to come in around the 7gig mark (I think that's about the size of NI Abbey Road 70's kit). So while the general tone of FD is good, what gets cut in making small sized sampled instruments is all the velocity-layers and Round-Robins that offer variety to even very similar hits, making them sound more human.
But even then, there's still a sense in which changing nothing else but missing each part of the kit separately could make a huge difference to the the overall sound.
@el_bo 😀 the snare sounds are from abbey road 70s kit, 5 samples. I would not use FD sounds. Yes i have to learn a desktop daw. So much to learn, so little time. Using Superior drummer is the goal.
@ el_bo Each drum has its own track.
You're right! A desktop DAW can be a lot to learn. But you aren't starting from scratch, in this case.
In terms of drums, SD is definitely one option. Not sure I'd particularly choose it for this style, though. But that's only going from others' experience. The three I own are Abbey Road 70's, BFD3 and handheldsounds' MAD - RocknFunk.
IRnF is my latest acquisition and I've not quite got used to it. BFD3 is in a period-of-transition, currently, and would be wise to avoid. But otherwise it's a great option for raw sounds and intricate work. But I still keep coming back to Abbey Road 70's tight. Familiarity, I guess. Plus, I've got it mapped just how I like it. If you already have AR 70's, it might be all you need. Perhaps I'll knock together a little finger-drumming demo, at some point.
Other than that, check out MnF:
https://www.handheldsound.com/instruments/mad/#*
@el_bo : do have tracks to listen to?
@el_bo the handheld sounds are really great!!!
Their handheld percussion is also great. The only thing is that they are both a little unwieldy in terms of huge amounts of articulations. Takes time to learn. But the investment in time and money seems worthwhile. Speaking of cost, I managed to pick both of them up on sale for $50. They seem to come around like that, every so often.
Thanks for your comments. Now I have to sleep. Hard day tomorrow.
Cool track!
If you are looking at desktop drum packages at some point, make sure you look at modo drum by IK multimedia, it uses physical modeling rather than samples for the drums (cymbals are still sampled), so you can get an incredible level of detail that way. The ghost notes on the snare is where a program with limited velocity layers (like funk drummer, etc) fall short. I LOVE funk drummer for practicing (I’m a bassist) but it wouldn’t be the drum track in a recording for that reason.
Another package you might like is Jamstix, by Rayzoon. Because you’re working in midi, it will create parts playing along with you by following what you’re playing. It’s hard to describe and it is a little confusing in the interface but once you figure out how it works the results are great.
And, if you’re learning a desktop DAW at whatever point, and you are making music like what you just posted, I highly recommend logic. Tons of content creation tools with it and it will integrate well with your keyboard. The logic drummer plug-in is amazing too. I work with a lot of contemporary jazz musicians in NYC and they are all using logic for writing, arranging, scoring, and home recording, aside from one who mainly uses digital performer. But he is a drummer and composer so virtual drums are never needed in his case…
I’m an engineer and get caught up in the tech, so don’t let me get sidetracked from your music. Great composing and arranging. You have that GRP vibe going on (that’s a compliment I hope!). Any of the tools I mentioned are worthless without the composing and playing talent, so keep that part up!
@mrufino1 : Thanks. I think I try Logic and get a mcbook. Thanks for your kind comment.
If you need help with anything just ask. Do you have more music posted?
@mrufino1 : Thanks i will do. Email too? Just google georg frank soundcloud . Then you will find my early bad (only audio) recordings too;-)