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TAL-U-No-LX Apematrix and Korg Gadget
In hope I can explain this well 🙂
I use Korg Gadget with Apematrix, Gadget for rythm and sequencing third party synths with the help of the Taipai gadget (assign cc controls from synths in Taipei and manual record the controls is a big plus for me). I bring everything together in Apematrix, so Gadget and synths and use fx on them.
Yesterday I bought the awesome TAL-U-No-LX Juno 60 emulation, but it won’t appear as an IAA in Apematrix, only as AU, and AUv3 does not seem to communicate with Gadget Taipei. I can control TAL-U-No-LX with Taipai in standalone but I want the TAL synth to work in Ape, which would be the case as it would show up as IAA in the list, but it doesn’t.. Does TAL-U-No-LX have some limitations I overlooked?
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I'm not very familiar with apeMatrix, but Gadget will not be able to communicate directly with an AUv3 app inside a host. You would need to route the Gadget Virtual MIDI port to a "MIDI Control" channel inside apeMatrix. You will then be able to map the CCs to AUv3 parameters published by TAL-U-No-LX. Alternatively, you may be able to route Gadget directly to the synth (like a keyboard) and have it respond to the CCs it recognizes. This routing will be performed on the MIDI matrix inside apeMatrix.
Here's the step-by-step for controlling AUv3 parameters in apeMatrix. I'm using ZOA through StreamByter to control ZOA (yes, it works). You would replace ZOA and StreamByter with the MIDI port from Gadget. StreamByter is routed to MIDI Control, the wiggly line with circles. Then I open ZOA and select the same wiggly line to access the AUv3 parameters I can control.
Hey uncledave, thanks so much for your help, but I think you misunderstood, or it is my bad for not explaining well.
For example; in Gadget in the Taipei app I can add the Sunrizer synth, sequence it and so on. Because I want to record and add fx I bring it together in Apematrix. Gadget is added as IAA, and so is Sunrizer, both can be heard and I can add fx to them.
If I try to do the exact same thing as written above but then with the Tal synth it won’t show up in Gadget (but I can make it seem to work when Tal is in standalone). So unlike Sunrizer who shows up in Gadget the Tal synth does not. And it also does not show as an IAA in Apematrix, only as an AUv3. Does Tal not support IAA? How weird is this, all my softsynths work, showup in Gadget Taipei, but Tal not, and in Ape only Auv3..
Why wouldn't you just use TAL as an AU3? It works fine that way.
I can’t get it to work in the Gadget/Apematrix combination, it doesn’t show up in Gadget and in Ape only as AUv3. Of course I can hear and play the Tal synth as an Auv3 in Apematrix when I play it’s keyboard, but it does not play it’s sequence from Gadget because I can’t select the Tal synth in the connection tap in Gadget Taipei. The key is IAA, I can’t think of something else, but somehow it does not seem to be IAA (can’t find any info). No such problem with other synths like Sunrizer, Phase84 and so on.
It's been a very long time since I've done anything like this, but I think you have to tell Gadget to send MIDI to ApeMatrix, and then in ApeMatrix setup the routing from ApeMatrix to TAL. That should work, though if you want to send MIDI to multiple AU3s then you'll need to make sure each of them is listening on a different channel (and that Gadget is sending on different channels).
I believe I do understand. What you describe works for stand-alone apps, which can also connect to apeMatrix as IAA. But it does not work for AUv3, because they are wrapped up inside the host, so you can only communicate with them via the host.
You need to route the MIDI output from Gadget inside apeMatrix. You cannot add Tal to Gadget. You need to either add apeMatrix Virtual MIDI port in Gadget, or add Gadget Virtual MIDI port in apeMatrix. Then route the MIDI inside apeMatrix either directly to Tal, or to MIDI control, as I already described.
Also, you may want to begin planning for less dependence on IAA, since it actually is beginning to fade away, as described in this post. This is likely the reason that Tal has dropped IAA.
If you use an AUv3 you won’t see it in Taipei which is expected, as uncledave already explained. Instead you’ll see Apematrix midi ports. You need to route Taipei to Apematrix and then in Apematrix forward that midi to the AUv3.
Ok, my bad, I will dive into your explanation uncledave. Again thank you all for your help, I am trying to learn all this stuff as good as possible.
I must say that I do find my workflow a bit of a hassle at the moment. Would a DAW workflow be a better option? I have GarageBand but it does not autorecord third party fx/synths. Does Cubasis auto record fx AND soft synth knob manipulations? Looking at Audio Evolution as well.
Yes both of them can do that. Audio Evolution is a bargain for all it can do. It doesn't quite have the polish of Cubasis, but it's more powerful imo.
Another option is to use Xequence and AUM together. Some people really like that. You can also use the really good clip based sequencer, LK, within AUM.
None of these solutions are perfect, but they're probably all easier than what you're currently trying to do.