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I hope they are finally getting rid of the piano type keys and make it more like Continuum, then maybe I'll get one.
The hardware is nice, but the software(firmware) support was terrible. No Roli for me again.
I agree as a Seaboard Rise 25 owner. It collects just dust these days. While a tactile MPE controller is amazing I am not sure I would go again with a Seaboard.
Once the battery will die I am not sure if its not finally just a nice looking piece of hardware.
Well, I must say it just looks kind of futuristic and nice just as is. So one day I might just hang it on the wall as modern art
Yup Pierre. I have a massive love / hate relationship with Roli. Sensel too. When the crypto market picks up I'll get a Haken Continuum and / or a Linnstrument. Roli are getting no more support from me.
I wonder if it comes midi 2.0 ready?
The Haken Continuum is what I have on my wishlist, although it keeps on getting bumped down the list for things that make noises rather than things that allow me to expressively control noises (the Behringer 2600 was the last thing that was paid for with Haken budget).
I love the Linnstrument as a piece of engineering but I'm not a guitarist and I think that puts you at a disadvantage when playing the Linnstrument. I know you can set other control paradigms but guitar string layout is how it was originally designed (and how the majority of users I know play the Linnstrument).
I'd be shocked to see Roli move from a piano key layout (especially with the education market in mind, which is the most profitable sector for Roli). With luck, they'll be able to make a base model with a larger octave range and maybe a flatter playing surface (for horizontal slides).
From the video you already can see it looks like a similar key layout like the previous version.
I’m excited! I know Seaboard Block sells like crazy used. The demand is out there.
The Linnstrume is what I'm looking at for a long time, it will come one day. After a while of silence Sensel will release a hardware updated Morph around March. I owned one but returned it, but I have to admit it was nice using it with Fundamental 1 (the Hainbach version.....).
Roll has Lumi for education market, so Seaboard is their prosumer product.
I'm actually a guitarist but was a piano player in my teens. Linnstrument appeals more for its reliability and flexibility than its guitar string layout. But my god, i have major gas for Continuum 😍😍😍😍😍😍
Does the Linnstrument come with a sound engine?
To me, that’s major selling point of the Haken. Doubt I’ll ever be able to afford one 😢
Perhaps it means that ROLI Noise might get some love ❤️
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Wow, this is all a bit surprising given what was being reported late last year: verge story. I thought they were going to focus on the education market. Here's hoping the re-formed Roli might better support their gear. I've always been tempted to check their stuff out but their reputation for bad support has kept me away.
That article did say the they aim to reintroduce the seaboard. I dont know to what extent the redesign is literal or just a marketing ploy. If Roli focused more on their products and support instead of their marketing, they might not have gone bankrupt in the first place
True, I missed that detail. Sounds like the essential problem is that they bit off more VC than they could chew and could not deliver the growth numbers; don't know if that was related to their performance as a support organization (though their reputation there surely doesn't help). They're kind of like the Segway of midi controllers: couldn't deliver on the initial hype.
Funnily enough, much as I'm not a huge fan of Roli hardware, I do acknowledge that their marketing and PR initiatives are a large part of the reason that MPE became so widely supported across a wide range of software and hardware instruments. The hype didn't deliver the growth the VC was after, but it meant that most computer musicians now know about the benefits of MPE, even though many don't realize the gnarly mess of actually wanting to use it in your productions (in terms of recording and editing the MIDI performance, not just the audio; something which is easier with desktop DAWs than those on iOS right now).
I went in to that youtube vid comments section and was very vocal about my issues with Roli lol. Stuck notes, incredibly slow support, Noise sucks balls, no iOS dashboard etc. The seaboard is such a great device in theory, and I love the feel of it, but Roli as a company are a real let-down.
Well, it’s probably a year till Osmose is available to those unlike @GovernorSilver, who didn’t have the foresight for a preorder. I’m coming into a few bucks and might try the Roli.
I’d be a real fan of user replaceable batteries. One of the reasons I sold my Seaboard Blocks. I really like the concept, but I need an Instrument to still function in 10 or 20years if I invest the time to really learn to play it.
ContinuuMini or the new EaganMatrix Module with Sensel Morph is a nice “low budget” alternative.
But be warned: You’ll end up in getting the real one! I will never regret the purchase of the full size. And I’m not a rich guy. It’s the only instrument (okay, the Lyra-8 also does, but in a different way), which makes me get scared and bring tears to my eyes often (in a very positive way).
That has to be the most annoying promo ….. ever.
second that
I had understood from the marketing that the touch tech they were developing had far wider industrial uses ;
so that by developing instruments responsive enough for virtuoso musicians they were also further perfecting
responsive control surface tech ready for other applications (medical , spaceships, idk? )
Don’t know where I got that from, but to me it explained the crazy VC investment .
I have a feeling that was Sensel
Wow, thanks for the info, I wasn’t aware of the eurorack module 👍
You may be right... if I treat them separately (a great sound engine + a fitting controller) it’s a bit easier to digest
I thought it was pretty rubbish how they developed the Seaboard Blocks, got them sold in Apple stores, and then pretty quickly did f-all in terms of app updates for Noise, which basically doesn't work properly anymore in any AU host. Given more love for the app, I think the Blocks would have done way better and would have generated more goodwill for Roli in general. The Seaboard Blocks themselves, and the Lightpad M, are genuinely decent bits of hardware (even if the Seaboard Blocks are a bit too delicate).
Indeed, the Roli guy talked about redesigning the QWERTY keyboard with different levels of info coming thru at different pressure levels… like aftertouch.
Wait, If the battery of this thing dies, can't you continue using it via an USB connection?