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How do you set up Drum Computer to play Patterning 2 in AUM?
I’d really like to try this, but I haven’t a clue. Simple steps would be great - screenshots even better.
Thank you for being a great person. You are truly special 😃
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Those instructions were fun to read since I haven’t bought Patterning 2 yet. Nice formatting helps.
Thank you so much for taking the time @wim - your instructions were perfect to the letter. It’s working out great. I would say this is well worth experimenting with for just about anyone really. You have all the random creativeness (including remix and fill) of Drum Computer coupled with all the many many cloud kits available on Patterning 2 and it’s effects - what’s not to like?
Im just off to download every kit available 😃 Thanks again.
Hi - that’s working great, so I’m now looking at hooking up different options now but I’m struggling to connect Drum Computer to Drum Machine apps without midi learn - specifically iElectribe. Where is the midi out mapping to be found on Drum Computer. Why can’t they just make it like Rozeta xox? 😩
I can’t see anything about it in the manual or on the web. And I’ve ran out of ideas.
You can find out what Drum Computer sends by using a MIDI monitor. The free StreamByter has a nice one built-in. Just route the MIDI through it in AUM and use the magnifying glass icon in the lower right. Once you know what it sends, and what iElectribe expects, you could use StreamByter to modify the notes. There is a General MIDI percussion map used by some apps, but there are lots of other assignments.
Thanks - I’ve had a go and can’t make sense of it though, I tried another app as well ☹️. I would rather just know how to set them up in a conventional sense if that is possible.
If there isn't a way to change the notes the pads send, if you want to control a drum app that doesn't have options to change its notes, you need something in the middle to do the translation.
mfxConvert is an inexpensive way to do this without any coding. You put it between DrumComputer and the app you want to play. You go through a similar midi learn process to set up the conversion to the notes you need on the other end. You can then save that as a preset.
Keep in mind that octave naming isn't always the same in all apps. So if you're having troubles, try an octave above or below.
@robosardine - you can change the midi notes output on the Mapping/Zones page, accessed by the rainbow colored button on the right-hand side of the screen.
Above the keyboard on that page you'll see colored bars that represent the range of incoming notes that can trigger each pad. The bottom note of those ranges is the note that is sent out. You can drag the pad numbers to the notes that you need, setting the range for each to the single note that you need for the target app. You can then save the mapping by tapping the Mapping button on the right just above the keyboard.
The mfxConvert method above is still a good alternative way to go.
To add to @wim post.
One, get MFXConvert it’s inexpensive and if you do any drum mapping it’s a lifesaver.
Two, used MFXConvert with two instances one receiving from your target app (in learn mode) and one receiving from you sending (the one sending the triggers) app (in learn mode)
Tap a pad on your sending app, then tap a pad on your receiving app. Finally on the sending side map the sending note to the destination note. Save as a preset in AUM. I’ve mapped several drum machines this way.
Nope - not happening for me. I followed all the instructions from @wim - both the use of mxfConvert and the ribbon mapping at the bottom. I have also tried @audiblevideo’s instructions with the two mfxConverts - nothing at all… not a squeak. I’ve spent to much time on it, and I’ve tried each one several times. It’s becoming a real pain in the pitta… or whatever the phrase is.
On a brighter note though - it’s not all doom and gloom. I have spent most of the day lost in the dizzy misty land of my new toy. My TB-03 arrived yesterday. I had a few quid to spare. I had hesitated on this for a while as so many were of the opinion that Pure Acid is just about as good. It’s not. Pure Acid is excellent, but the TB-03 is another world altogether…. or should that be underworld? - and it goes great through the iPad effects.
I’ve hardly moved all day what with these two projects. I had to put on the soft lights, take the bin out, waft about some body spray, have a quick shave, switch on Classic FM, switch on the dishwasher and have a very quick but targeted tidy up - all in the last 15 minutes before my wife arrived home from work. Just in time….. phew…… and it worked.. Hah!
There is a good reason why they hold their secondhand price (about £200) when you can buy a new Berhinger true analog one for half that price. I used to wonder about that - but not any more.
Anyway - can someone try to see if the DC to iElectribe actually works out of curiosity- but it’s probably me doing or not doing something.
Cheers
****> @robosardine said:
iElectribe requires you to send notes all on channel 10. The notes that it needs in order of the iElectribe pads are: C1, D1, E1, F1, F#1, Bb1, Db2, and Eb1. It will work if you use these mappings and everything else is correct.
Just for clarity, are those note numbers relative to middle C (MIDI 60) as C3 or C4?
Edit: Looks like it's middle C as C3. Those appear to be from the GM Standard Drum Map, starting with Bass Drum and Acoustic Snare.
Still nothing? What am I not doing?
I have an init patch in DC
I have mapped the outs according to the note number.
I have mapped DC to I Electribe in AUM
I have the mid filter set at channel 10…. nothing. I point Rozeta at it - it works- so iElectribe is receiving.
I tried moving the mapped notes up an octave (so they now correspond to the notes on the Korg sheet) picked up by mfx midi monitor. So the correct notes are coming out- that’s good, but they are not triggering iElectribe - even though it seems to be set up correctly - and Rozeta fires off iElectribe easily.
The Korg sheet uses notes relative to C4 middle C. The mfx monitor uses C3 middle C. So your notes are one octave high. Just look at the MIDI note numbers. Korg starts at decimal 36. The monitor shows that the E2 it displays is hex 34, 52 decimal (3x16 + 4). You want E1, hex 28, decimal 40 in the Korg doc.
Also, make sure that iElectribe is receiving from its Virtual MIDI port.
Those are the notes as they're listed in the mfxConvert app.
I have tried both octaves - the Korg one and the mfx midi monitor one - I tried moving the bass drum C onto every available octave - nothing.
@uncledave - how do I view the iElectribes virtual midi in port? It must be on though as it receives from Rozeta xox.
Has anyone actually set this up and made it work?
Lordy, lordy, lordy
Gimme a sec and I'll upload a video that walks you through it.
From the video description:
Mapping SugarBytes DrumComputer to iElectribe in AUM. Use a small AU3 midi utility MFXConvert to reassign midi notes and forward channels. I used another app Polybeats to get the iElectribe note mappings and to show that it works. Especially if you set the midi channel to 10.
Let me know if there are any other questions @robosardine .
(the HD one is still processing so... maybe wait a sec )
Did you set it for midi channel 10 like I said?
[edit] I see the confusion now. See posts below. The channel conversions need to be made in mfxConvert. I could have been clearer about that point in my earlier post.
Of course. I wouldn't have posted what I did, nor would I have known the notes needed, without having tested it.
If you still can't get it to work, let me know and I'll post an AUM session that I know works.
The midi monitor he shows in the picture indicates that he is using midi channel 1 (the note ons start 90. For channel 10, it would be 9A)
@robosardine - setting a midi filter isn't what you needed to do. That filters out everything except channel 10 from the source. It doesn't change the incoming midi to channel 10.
DrumComputer is sending on channel 1 so the setting the filter to channel 10 only succeeds in causing no midi to be received at all. Rozeta sends on channel 10 by default which explains why it works.
What you need to do is set each conversion in mfxConvert for both channel 10 and the needed note. You don't need the AUM channel filter, but it won't hurt anything either. I should have been more clear about where to convert to channel 10 in my earlier post.
Also note: the notes I listed are the ones you need to convert to in mfxConvert. The iELECTRIBE chart you posted uses different octave numbering than mfxConvert does.
I tried to show this in my video
👍🏼 That was nice of you to take the time to make a video.
Actually "99". That annoying 1 vs 0 thing in MIDI.
Oops. Face palm
Aha - thank you everyone and @audiblevideo that was very good of you to make a video as @wim said earlier. Everyone’s willingness to help here is really appreciated. I am happy to report - I am now home and dry - my confusion has been elucidated - not precisely in the way described (but almost😀) your help was absolutely invaluable - I wouldn’t be there were it not for you.
I think I better explain a little. Up until this point I have tended to not want to get too involved with midi machinations as I find it quite confusing, as I previously did with hardware (which I am considering partially migrating back to - but that’s another story). I have had just about every hardware Groovebox you have heard of - the only midi I used was clock sync to keep them together. I carried this forward to iOS and tended to work with Audio clip launching along with getting Pure Acid to play whichever synth you happen to point it at. Also standalone units with built in sequencers - Gadget, Groovebox, Electribe Wave, Figure, iKaossilaor, Reason Compact, Ruismaker Noir etc etc all through all the effects that you know. I have 4 iPads so I can have a dedicated Groovebox thing on each which can be easily rotated- all Ableton Linked - all arriving at a KP3+ and that has been just plenty for me - simple and effective .. A bit like the Analog Kitchen guy on YouTube except with iPads.
So now I am thinking as part of my partial drift back to hardware that I would like to try an iPad playing the drums and launching mainly vocal and stab samples and maybe some pads. I really like the sound of the iElectribe Drums, but was hoping to set up a more sophisticated sequencer for them - and that is when I found out that I didn’t know how 😃
I still don’t know how to set up AUM to send out on a particular channel?? - but I have found the perfect easy way to
get Drum Comp to play iElectribe… and as it turns out any drum machine, but I would never have worked this out without you taking the time help - so thank you again.
Instead of using mfx convert I used mfx strip - and boom! Straight away the job was done - I couldn’t quite believe it! It’s only now that it seems very straightforward 😀
Here’s the set up. Cheers.
Glad you got it all working. mfxStrip is indeed simpler when you have control over either the notes the sender uses or the notes required by the receiving app and all you need to do is change the channel. But if you're in a situation where you can't make those match, then you need mfxConvert to change both the note and the channel.
mfxConvert can be a more versatile answer because you can manage all your mapping needs in a single app, saving presets for each one. For instance, some apps actually use the same note for every drum pad, but need a different channel for each pad. mfxStrip isn't enough for that task. If mfxConvert is your main "translator", you don't have to decide every time which to use.
You already have the answer to that one. Just send to mfxStrip, then send mfxStrip to the output.
@robosardine : if you are wondering if there is a way to natively have AUM remap a channel, the answer is that you can't. You re-channelize you need to use a plugin as you've done. AUM doesn't re-channelize. It has filtering but no rechannelizing.
It will soon enough though
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1049809#Comment_1049809
Cheers I always thought you would be able to do it purely in AUM - that’s got to be one of those strange but true story things. How many people are out there suffering like I was - thinking that they are just too dim to know about it or find it? For the amount that AUM does - I just assumed that this would be one of them 🤔 Glad to hear it’s coming.
It’s working great though - well worth a try if you like the beefy drums.
As a slight addendum for anyone trying this - you might want to try switching 2 & 8 around at the bottom - to get the snare next to the Bass Drum - it makes more sense for Drum Computer when it’s randomising.