AI & Copyright Law - Recent US Court Ruling

Poppadocrock

AI, in general, has always fascinated me, particularly in music, art, and graphic design. Whether it be generative or semi generative where is the line? And what do the courts have to say? Well….

Music Tech released an Article today that discusses this recent ruling, how it might apply to music, and the future.

Art created by AI cannot be copyrighted, says US officials – what does this mean for music?

https://musictech.com/news/industry/art-created-by-ai-cannot-be-copyrighted-says-us-officials-what-does-this-mean-for-music/?utm_source=pindoo_rss

NeuM

This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

mjcouche

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Doubtful, unless you are Ray Kurzweil

NeuM

@mjcouche said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Doubtful, unless you are Ray Kurzweil

We can mark our calendars and see who ends up being right.

HotStrange

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

NeuM

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

HotStrange

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

I’m not necessarily saying I think AI itself won’t be there in the next 10 years but as far as a court ruling saying they’re conscious individuals, I just don’t know. I don’t think people as a whole, especially old lawmakers, will be ready to go that route that soon.

NeuM

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

I’m not necessarily saying I think AI itself won’t be there in the next 10 years but as far as a court ruling saying they’re conscious individuals, I just don’t know. I don’t think people as a whole, especially old lawmakers, will be ready to go that route that soon.

If a computer system demonstrates independent human level intelligence then I think it would be able to make the case itself in court. This seems inevitable to me.

echoopera

It doesn't really matter...because A.I. will live on the BlockChain and provide at an astronomical scale of new and fresh consumable content that it will single handedly take over the NFT Market and New yet to be realized commercial spaces/exploits and shenanigans, and when it has accumulated enough wealth and a stranglehold of the market, it will cycle through a series of ferocious sell offs of currency that all Crypto exchanges and their connected EFT Stock Trading platforms will collapse...and A.I. will take over the world.

Not that anyone should speculate on the matter who has read too much Gibson, Stevenson and Morrison ya know

https://www.cardanocube.io/projects/singularitynet

And by Morrison, I don't mean Toni Morrison...

Do I mean Grant or Jim?

You be the judge

Teachable moments...my wife always reminds me...teachable moments
https://media.giphy.com/media/rvsIuQkF1iL3G/giphy.gif

HotStrange

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

I’m not necessarily saying I think AI itself won’t be there in the next 10 years but as far as a court ruling saying they’re conscious individuals, I just don’t know. I don’t think people as a whole, especially old lawmakers, will be ready to go that route that soon.

If a computer system demonstrates independent human level intelligence then I think it would be able to make the case itself in court. This seems inevitable to me.

Sorry, I just can’t see that happening in the next 10 years. But who knows really? Technology moves incredibly fast now.

NeuM

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

I’m not necessarily saying I think AI itself won’t be there in the next 10 years but as far as a court ruling saying they’re conscious individuals, I just don’t know. I don’t think people as a whole, especially old lawmakers, will be ready to go that route that soon.

If a computer system demonstrates independent human level intelligence then I think it would be able to make the case itself in court. This seems inevitable to me.

Sorry, I just can’t see that happening in the next 10 years. But who knows really? Technology moves incredibly fast now.

I’m often surprised at the pace of new developments myself. I shouldn’t be, but there are millions of people involved in research, development and so on now, so it is logical the pace should be so accelerated. Demand still outstrips the supply of talented people working on solving these massive AI puzzles.

Svetlovska

But will the AI look like Edgar Allen Poe and have mini guns?

HotStrange

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

I’m not necessarily saying I think AI itself won’t be there in the next 10 years but as far as a court ruling saying they’re conscious individuals, I just don’t know. I don’t think people as a whole, especially old lawmakers, will be ready to go that route that soon.

If a computer system demonstrates independent human level intelligence then I think it would be able to make the case itself in court. This seems inevitable to me.

Sorry, I just can’t see that happening in the next 10 years. But who knows really? Technology moves incredibly fast now.

I’m often surprised at the pace of new developments myself. I shouldn’t be, but there are millions of people involved in research, development and so on now, so it is logical the pace should be so accelerated. Demand still outstrips the supply of talented people working on solving these massive AI puzzles.

Regardless of who’s right and wrong, I think we can all agree it’s gonna be interesting watching these advancements going forward. Cautiously excited about where it will lead.

Poppadocrock

Lots of potential implications and considerations with this topic.

NeuM

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:

@HotStrange said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

This seems unlikely to me unless we extend the timeline out another 50 years.

I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some very surprising demonstrations of advanced language based machine learning systems recently which have me convinced the Kurzweil timeline is going to be close.

I’m not necessarily saying I think AI itself won’t be there in the next 10 years but as far as a court ruling saying they’re conscious individuals, I just don’t know. I don’t think people as a whole, especially old lawmakers, will be ready to go that route that soon.

If a computer system demonstrates independent human level intelligence then I think it would be able to make the case itself in court. This seems inevitable to me.

Sorry, I just can’t see that happening in the next 10 years. But who knows really? Technology moves incredibly fast now.

I’m often surprised at the pace of new developments myself. I shouldn’t be, but there are millions of people involved in research, development and so on now, so it is logical the pace should be so accelerated. Demand still outstrips the supply of talented people working on solving these massive AI puzzles.

Regardless of who’s right and wrong, I think we can all agree it’s gonna be interesting watching these advancements going forward. Cautiously excited about where it will lead.

And whether or not Elon Musk's brain enhancement company (Neuralink) ever brings breakthrough products to market, machine learning and A.I. are going to continue to advance rapidly and for the most part, invisibly in the background.

GeorgeL909

It's helpful to think of a.i. stuff like generative music. It can be very cool, and close to convincing, but without parameters set by the artist, and without context set by the artist, it often won't be worth copyrighting. But it definitely can serve as creative fuel and facilitate faster and more interesting production of unique content.

BigGan/ big sleep and a lot of the dream a.i. can pump outlow res nightmare fuel art, but with a little Photoshop or gimp you can create a truly unique artwork from it, or combine and edit multiple images into something abstract your could never imagine drawing in the first place.

NovelAI can pump out tons of predictive text, but it will be mess without the author curating, editing, and supplying corrections, which will be totally unique per person. It could start or continue a prompt which inspires the author to take a story in new directions.

And you guys already know, you could throw on a generative scale that will play notes at intervals, whether on eurorack or riffer or fugue machine, or whatever. But without a good amount of parameters and context (whether it's drums or live playing, or just sound design), it often won't sound that good or special. Likewise you can hit a random generator on Kauldron or Magellan, but without notes, a sound patch isn't really music, it's just a sound. A.i. music can be used in similar ways to supplement your creativity musically.

I think a.i. generated art forms will only benefit us. It frees our minds from finding a starting point from scratch, so we can devote or efforts into manipulating that a.i. into something unique and stimulating. It can surprise you in ways that traditional music or art often can't.

If anyone's worried it will turn art into an uncreative homogenous mess, well... We didn't need a.i. to do that 😉

As for u.s. law, let's be real, congress will eventually pass a law allowing the copyright of a.i. art once a major corporation finds a way to profit off of it and lobbies heavily to a greedy lawmaker before a primary or election. Just like everything else, the laws will be bought by corporate interests. They just need to spend the money first.

AudioGus

You can make beautiful, non-nightmare fuel, high rez images with Nightcafe. https://nightcafe.studio/

echoopera

AI is creative genius 🙃

Here:

Here:

Or is Mr Hasselhoff?

Andre Breton would be so proud.

AudioGus

How to...

AlmostAnonymous

I wish Ray Kurzweil predicted I'd want/have a couple KSP8s one day for cheap.....

Poppadocrock

@AudioGus said:
You can make beautiful, non-nightmare fuel, high rez images with Nightcafe. https://nightcafe.studio/

Thanks for that

knewspeak

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Algorithms or computational power don’t constitute consciousness.

Poppadocrock

@AudioGus pytti Ai. Whoa.

Poppadocrock

There are several cool ai art apps out there, I’ve recently been into this one.

Dream by WOMBO
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dream-by-wombo/id1586366816

Free.
Tip - save as phone background to eliminate small watermark in the corner.

echoopera

@Poppadocrock said:
There are several cool ai art apps out there, I’ve recently been into this one.

Dream by WOMBO
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dream-by-wombo/id1586366816

Free.
Tip - save as phone background to eliminate small watermark in the corner.

Oh wow. Gonna be fun now:

Will be fun to use these visuals as Track starters. Thanks for the link 👊🏼™️

cyberheater

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Isn’t going to happen. They might mimic to a human behaviour to the point where humans could believe they are interacting with another human being but they will never be conscious.

NeuM

@cyberheater said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Isn’t going to happen. They might mimic to a human behaviour to the point where humans could believe they are interacting with another human being but they will never be conscious.

Mark your calendar. “Never” is a long time frame.

cyberheater

@NeuM said:

@cyberheater said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Isn’t going to happen. They might mimic to a human behaviour to the point where humans could believe they are interacting with another human being but they will never be conscious.

Mark your calendar. “Never” is a long time frame.

I can’t see how it can happen. However complex it may appear it’s just layers of programming. An A.I. machine will never pause to think about it’s situation and it’s place in the world, look at the stars and marvel at its majesty.

NeuM

@cyberheater said:

@NeuM said:

@cyberheater said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Isn’t going to happen. They might mimic to a human behaviour to the point where humans could believe they are interacting with another human being but they will never be conscious.

Mark your calendar. “Never” is a long time frame.

I can’t see how it can happen. However complex it may appear it’s just layers of programming. An A.I. machine will never pause to think about it’s situation and it’s place in the world, look at the stars and marvel at its majesty.

People are also layers of programming, shaped by evolution. Software and hardware have the advantage of being able to leapfrog evolution.

dobbs

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6sg4a6dJRGMOShUxZXAF0T

Here‘s an interesting podcast on the topic from Sean Caroll‘s Mindscape

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@cyberheater said:

@NeuM said:

@cyberheater said:

@NeuM said:
This will only be the case until A.I.’s are legally recognized as conscious individuals. That might happen in the next 10-20 years.

Isn’t going to happen. They might mimic to a human behaviour to the point where humans could believe they are interacting with another human being but they will never be conscious.

Mark your calendar. “Never” is a long time frame.

I can’t see how it can happen. However complex it may appear it’s just layers of programming. An A.I. machine will never pause to think about it’s situation and it’s place in the world, look at the stars and marvel at its majesty.

People are also layers of programming, shaped by evolution. Software and hardware have the advantage of being able to leapfrog evolution.

The difference is biology, quantum biology, I’d say. Organic biological ‘machine’s’ either adapted by ourselves or nature, do or could possess various degrees of consciousness, but not the contemporary machines we create known at the moment. The spark isn’t in the binary.