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Filter cut off and controlling level. How do you?

Looking for advice/methods on how people do this…
The difference in level when a filter is open and closed can be pretty huge and while sometimes it might be good to have an element dominate or disappear in mix, often I just want it to be even.
There’s some threads on other forums but not found anything definitive.
Experimented with compression (takes too much life out of the synth - I may have set up poorly though) and limiter (only have old DDMF one and am not great with it’s settings).
I’d rather not automate the fader as that’s a pain.
Is Multiband compression the answer? I have bark filter, maybe that could do it?
Maybe there’s a clever way using just the synth ( Zeeon)?
Any help/ideas appreciated!

Comments

  • Forgot to mention if it’s not obvious but I’m amateur league with mixing..

  • On trick is to use a somewhat transparent limiter like TB Barricade and set the output level to a desired value and crank the output gain.

    Another one is to use the sam modulation source you use to control the cutoff in the other direction on the output volume/gain. Ie. when cut-off goes down output volume goes up and adjust it to taste.

  • edited February 2022

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/level-hidden-gems-in-sound/id1533532303

    Get the bundle.
    The one is a fader rider.
    The other is a bass leveler, so you don’t lose low frequencies when tweeking the resonance.

  • @Samu said:
    On trick is to use a somewhat transparent limiter like TB Barricade and set the output level to a desired value and crank the output gain.

    Another one is to use the sam modulation source you use to control the cutoff in the other direction on the output volume/gain. Ie. when cut-off goes down output volume goes up and adjust it to taste.

    Been thinking about Barricade for a while. No one seems to have a bad word to say about it. Will try the synth trick as well. Always like economical solutions. Thanks!

  • @jolico said:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/level-hidden-gems-in-sound/id1533532303

    Get the bundle.
    The one is a fader rider.
    The other is a bass leveler, so you don’t lose low frequencies when tweeking the resonance.

    Had forgotten about this app. Clue is in the title! Thanks!

  • edited February 2022

    I feel like you answered your own question re: compression. Granted compressors like EQs come in a lot of different flavors. Some are good on sub-mixes, some good on transients and some are great at traditional level balancing. If you try to use the wrong one for the wrong job you're going to struggle dialing in the settings.

    For what you are describing I would use slow optical compression. Optos are very transparent unless you push them and pushing them usually leads to nice tube like saturation. Learning comps and EQs will make you a better producer full stop so I would spend them time to learn them. This may be a good place to start - https://www.attackmagazine.com/technique/tutorials/choosing-the-right-compressor-type/

  • @jolico said:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/level-hidden-gems-in-sound/id1533532303

    Get the bundle.
    The one is a fader rider.
    The other is a bass leveler, so you don’t lose low frequencies when tweeking the resonance.

    And judging by the nonsensical pricing of that bundle, make sure you buy the apps individually. ;) It’s cheaper.

  • @jolico said:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/level-hidden-gems-in-sound/id1533532303

    Get the bundle.
    The one is a fader rider.
    The other is a bass leveler, so you don’t lose low frequencies when tweeking the resonance.

    I do like both of these apps but they go on sale quite frequently, so I’d wait for a discount to get those apps.

  • I can highly recommend TB Equalizer with its dynamic EQ bands. You can create virtually any frequency and level dependent volume processing with it.

  • @subdo said:
    I feel like you answered your own question re: compression. Granted compressors like EQs come in a lot of different flavors. Some are good on sub-mixes, some good on transients and some are great at traditional level balancing. If you try to use the wrong one for the wrong job you're going to struggle dialing in the settings.

    For what you are describing I would use slow optical compression. Optos are very transparent unless you push them and pushing them usually leads to nice tube like saturation. Learning comps and EQs will make you a better producer full stop so I would spend them time to learn them. This may be a good place to start - https://www.attackmagazine.com/technique/tutorials/choosing-the-right-compressor-type/

    Good article! Thanks!

  • @NeuM said:

    @jolico said:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/level-hidden-gems-in-sound/id1533532303

    Get the bundle.
    The one is a fader rider.
    The other is a bass leveler, so you don’t lose low frequencies when tweeking the resonance.

    And judging by the nonsensical pricing of that bundle, make sure you buy the apps individually. ;) It’s cheaper.

    Ha, yes, that’s some deal 🧐

  • @Poppadocrock said:

    @jolico said:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/level-hidden-gems-in-sound/id1533532303

    Get the bundle.
    The one is a fader rider.
    The other is a bass leveler, so you don’t lose low frequencies when tweeking the resonance.

    I do like both of these apps but they go on sale quite frequently, so I’d wait for a discount to get those apps.

    Noted. Thanks!

  • @rs2000 said:
    I can highly recommend TB Equalizer with its dynamic EQ bands. You can create virtually any frequency and level dependent volume processing with it.

    Good shout. I have but haven’t tried that method yet 👍🏻

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