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Roland AE-10 Aeropohone costs $700, desktop SWAM Solo Woodwinds” bundle costs $750. How??!!
Hey felllas,
I've been interested in swam sounds forever. Ipad auv3 swam is the only cost point that makes sense for me for a digital only soft synth so I finally have a few of their sounds. But the desktop bundles are still at the same price as 6 years ago. Not to say they're not great instruments but....
I recently learned about aerophones. Incredibly expressive and well built wind synth controllers with their own built in physical modeling synths. And now that I know about them I'm wondering how the fuck SWAM gets away with selling their desktop bundles for literally more money than a literal god damn actual physical instrument with its own built in sounds. Like, swam sounds intentionally stop working if they detect you aren't using a breath controller. So effectively they expect you to buy something like an AE-10 to use them, but, like, if you have an AE-10 already, then what the fuck! Why even bother?? In 100 years I can sell a AE10 in whatever market I want, SWAM bundle is gonna be locked behind some old operating system that needs some special driver just to get running
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Lack of adequate competition is the reason. I'm hoping some of the bigger music software companies start committing more resources to creating modeled instruments and away from sampled instruments.
Also, I listened to the demos of the Roland AE-10 Aeropohone and found it lacking in the subtleties of actual instruments. Their device's sensors or their software is not up to the task to convincingly replace the instruments they are attempting to emulate.
Like, swam sounds intentionally stop working if they detect you aren't using a breath controller.
Is this on desktop? because on the ipad, they don't.
You don't really need the entire SWAM bundle though. Get a high instrument and a low instrument in each model type and you're covered.
Or, buy just one SWAM instrument, control it with a wind controller, and get really freaking good with it. That's better than buying them all but never really mastering any of them.
Desktop, yes. I remember SWAM claiming it won't work in ipad but I never had any problem -- so while it does work they did go on record claiming it wouldn't lol. On desktop all you need to do to trick it is to send it a certain cc command and it thinks it's an MPE controller. It's not a big deal, my main point was that swam doesn't just work by itself, you need a desktop, ipad, controller, a bunch of other shit. And traditionally I've had to use controllers that don't have sounds built in, so it's this hodgepodge of dangles and wires and setting up and fiddling and apps crashing and updating all this nonsense that would be totally wiped away if it was all in one package
@CapnWillie The thing about the Akai EWI is that it doesn't have trumpet and sax fingering options. I'm a trumpet player interested in learning sax so the Ae-10 lets me approach it with built in skill and build skill that will be relevant in other instruments. EWI usb also doesn't have built in sounds which is a deal breaker. I have a 200 key Linnstrument and the fact that it doesn't have built in sounds is the main reason I preordered the Osmose.
I just picked up a used ae-10 this morning for almost the price of a EWI usb, and while I can't say the sounds are swam level quality, they seem to be pretty decent in their own right, at least a good chunk of em. The sax sounds themselves don't sound good but then again i always thought the swam sax was the weakest of the instruments. Saxophone is just way harder than a pan flute
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
True.
I guess the main point I was making with the $700 comparison is that I don't know why we in the expressive synth enthusiast world keep settling for half measures. I'm tired of using expressive MPE controllers that don't have built in sounds. I'm tired of using expressive synths that need external controllers to work. Why can't these two great things just have a baby already??
Like, I can't complain too much cuz SWAM has been focusing so much on all these bad ass Auv3 apps that are fucking amazing and priced right, but I don't know why they aren't pounding on the door of akai, yamaha, and roland offices and demanding that they partner up and make a god damn expressive wind synth with god damn swam sounds built the fuck into it. Just seems like a huge missed opportunity and makes it even more baffling that they partnered with Geoshred of all people (no disrespect, but, like, why not literally anyone else?)
I'd never spend more than 20-30 bucks for a soft synth, certainly not $700 for a desktop bundle.
But if they ever make a SWAM wind synth like an aerophone I'd literally throw $5,000 at them without even checking my bank account balance
I will gladly buy your linnstrument for a round sum of AE-10
Ha! I still love my Linnstrument. And I could trade it in for a car if things ever get tight
Good luck with you search. I’m curious about your results.
Have you looked into this one?
https://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-breath-bite-controller-2
Guess it doesn’t help if your ultimate end goal is to learn Sax.
Hey guys has anyone used any SWAM stuff with Velocity Keyboard App as an MPE controller? I’m gonna search the forum now as well (which I should have done already). I have avoided even looking to see what SWAM is for all this time but you finally got me.
I thought every EWI from the 4000 onward can have alternative fingerings? Maybe needing a firmware update for the 4000. I have my EWI USB in “brass 2” mode to make use of the mechanical memory from much trumpet playing in my youth.
Yes, it works well. In VK I map the Y axis to aftertouch, then in SWAM I set several of the expression parameters to receive aftertouch.
I think the musicians they got to do those demos just really didn't know how to show off the strengths of the instrument. Because when I got my mouth on it, my triple and double tonguing articulation was expressed flawlessly on the aerophone and I actually think the muted trumpet sound better than most of the swam trumpet sounds.
Those roland demo people seemed to all be classically trained performers whose main creed in life is to create long tones that are consistent and unchanging in timbre. Which is difficult on a real brass instrument or violin, but a wind synth does that on the first second of playing so it's not something to show off. What you need to know for a wind synth is how well does it change timbre and how fast can you triple tongue before losing resolution