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Helium or Atom Piano Roll?

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  • rs2000rs2000
    edited December 2022

    @fornax55 said:

    @Telstar5 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Why not consider LK in this shoot out? If you want Live like MIDI sequences in one instance, it’s the best by a mile.

    @lukesleepwalker :Is LK primarily for Ableton users though?

    I've spent the last year whinging about looking for a piano roll that can record patterns that I can play back routed through to different synths in AUM for eons. That worked on iPhone. Little did I know that LK has all of that accessible from the first screen. The chord generation and midi generation is -almost- on par with Pure Acid's sick sequencer generation and it automatically routes each new track to different midi channel so you can pop it in to AUM.

    I have no plans to use LK with Ableton and still don't really understand the appeal of using a mobile app to use ableton... so I can lie in bed and use it?

    I'm blown away that LK doesn't get more love. I've had it for eons and it always just looked like a big fat Learning Curve for me to avoid. But then I peeked under the surface and I'm pretty sure everything I've ever wanted is whirling around under there

    It's probably because LK started as a pure Ableton and MIDI remote control.
    Later on, more and more standalone sequencing features have been added (too silently maybe?) and now it's one of the most powerful pattern based sequencers on iOS.
    Thumbs up to Imaginando for giving us exceptional value for the money 😊

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Telstar5 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Why not consider LK in this shoot out? If you want Live like MIDI sequences in one instance, it’s the best by a mile.

    @lukesleepwalker :Is LK primarily for Ableton users though?

    No

  • reezyglereezygle

    I love LK. I find it the best clip based sequencer on iOS. LK’s MIDI mapping is great too. If you want to see what it can do, check this out. See the video description for details on how I set it up:

  • RajahPRajahP

    Just get them both, Bud.. they are not that much.. and you may want to look a LK too.. 👽 Bless

  • zah7zah7

    @audiblevideo said:
    ATOM2 is NOT abandonware...

    Well, this didn’t age well, did it?

  • DarkstringDarkstring

    I wish Helium had scales in the piano roll.

  • DarkstringDarkstring

    jason said:

    @Darkstring said:
    I wish Helium had scales in the piano roll.

    If so, I would never use this feature. In fact this kind of ‚feature’ is disturbing always. I want to see the real note positions in a sequencer view and their real intervals and relations.

    None of the flagship sequencers on the desktop does feature scales in the first place either. Maybe as a hidden special function or such.

    Much better idea would be to implement arrangement tracks and chord tracks into all sequencers, such like in Cubase Pro.
    This makes much mor sense for productivity enhancements.

    This scales thing is totally overrated, limiting and kind of unprofessional (in sense of infantile) in my opinion.

    I'm happy that you're a uniquely talented individual, because that means you don't speak for everyone :)
    Scales are helpful tools, just like midi LFO generators and stochastic probability engines for us peons. Not something someone as amazing as you would need to use, just like you probably don't need any of the tools you make yourself - as they're simply poor substitutions for actual hard work. I mean come on. Jinny for short riffs? Infantile at best. Not for technical Gods like you.
    By the way, which top ten breaking records have you ever produced? I'd love to observe your fantastic skills in action.

  • reezyglereezygle

    jason said:
    (Atom in my humble opinion is a totally misconception thing, even with version 2. Helium is basically not that bad, but I do not like these 4P interfaces very much. Although it is the only AU that can edit larger multi-channel MIDI files with a result.)

    LK handles multi-channel MIDI very well too. Just long press inside the matrix module and chose import midi. import the multi-channel midi file you want. LK will create a track for every channel. Works great. I use it all the time

  • DarkstringDarkstring

    Great, then it could be added as an option which you can happily ignore, while it can help countless other people who are not you :)

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo
    edited February 2023

    @zah7 said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    ATOM2 is NOT abandonware...

    Well, this didn’t age well, did it?

    Did it break? Did the dev say he stopped? Is it still in the App Store for purchase?

    It’s not “abandoned”

    Is your basic issue that a developer isn’t at your beck and call?

    Not trying to be an ass - just trying to find where your point/grievance/concern or problem is

  • RajahPRajahP
    edited February 2023

    jason said:

    @reezygle said:

    jason said:
    (Atom in my humble opinion is a totally misconception thing, even with version 2. Helium is basically not that bad, but I do not like these 4P interfaces very much. Although it is the only AU that can edit larger multi-channel MIDI files with a result.)

    LK handles multi-channel MIDI very well too. Just long press inside the matrix module and chose import midi. import the multi-channel midi file you want. LK will create a track for every channel. Works great. I use it all the time

    Yes. I was surprised how for instance drag&drop did work with the audio unit of LK.
    Just dropping in a multi channel MIDi file did give me a complete set for playback!

    Wow, did not know that.. pretty slick.. By any chance, does it have global key/scale Quantize? This works great in Atom 2. Might be one of Atom 2’s ace features.. fits any song.

    Sorry, not really global in Atom..

  • DarkstringDarkstring

    @RajahP said:

    jason said:

    @reezygle said:

    jason said:
    (Atom in my humble opinion is a totally misconception thing, even with version 2. Helium is basically not that bad, but I do not like these 4P interfaces very much. Although it is the only AU that can edit larger multi-channel MIDI files with a result.)

    LK handles multi-channel MIDI very well too. Just long press inside the matrix module and chose import midi. import the multi-channel midi file you want. LK will create a track for every channel. Works great. I use it all the time

    Yes. I was surprised how for instance drag&drop did work with the audio unit of LK.
    Just dropping in a multi channel MIDi file did give me a complete set for playback!

    Wow, did not know that.. pretty slick.. By any chance, does it have global key/scale Quantize? This works great in Atom 2. Might be one of Atom 2’s ace features.. fits any song.

    Sorry, not really global in Atom..

    No scales in Helium. Paul should add them, if he gets a chance. They're really useful :)

  • Jer4Jer4

    @Darkstring said:
    I wish Helium had scales in the piano roll.

    I think it does have that functionality, long press “Time signature” to enable scales. A bit of a hidden feature. I agree with you, it’s very handy!

  • nickpettnickpett

    jason said:
    I did merely say an opinion. I do not want scales support in Heluim. It is good as it is for editing standard MIDI files. Something that really was needed long time.

    (And you did get personal. Mostly because your own frustration. Of that someone is not your opinion.
    So you are ignored now.)

    .

    Addenduum:

    What i am now really finding somewhat strange (after this personal attack from Darkstring) here, is the fact that this user did register exactly the day when MIDI Jinny PRO was released and now starts such an personal attack, because I have just told my opinion. ^^ However. Shit happens.

    Why do we all get a bit mardy on these discussions. Surely we are trying to create great music and have a lot of fun. Maybe I am a bit niave

  • DarkstringDarkstring

    @Jer4 said:

    @Darkstring said:
    I wish Helium had scales in the piano roll.

    I think it does have that functionality, long press “Time signature” to enable scales. A bit of a hidden feature. I agree with you, it’s very handy!

    Thanks, I totally did not notice this. I wonder if it's also possible to define your own or add more? Regardless, this is already very handy!

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    jason said:
    There was no reason to become that kind of personal. And yes , isn‘t it strange??? the user appears to be an insider, but the account was created the day when I was releasing something. (his/her attack was strangefully exactly the subject, that was released the day). so someone here did hide his true identity for the only reason to get personal and attacking, obviously me in this case. I find that somewhat strange.

    This is exhausting.

  • Jer4Jer4

    @Darkstring said:

    @Jer4 said:

    @Darkstring said:
    I wish Helium had scales in the piano roll.

    I think it does have that functionality, long press “Time signature” to enable scales. A bit of a hidden feature. I agree with you, it’s very handy!

    Thanks, I totally did not notice this. I wonder if it's also possible to define your own or add more? Regardless, this is already very handy!

    No, I don’t see any options for adding your own. It does have the usual scales and modes built in thankfully 😎

  • wimwim

    It's pretty easy to put a scaling app between the input and the piano roll. Rozeta Scaler is good. Simple Scaler adds custom scales ability, if you have Mozaic.

    No visual representation of the scale in the piano roll though, which is no help for editing.

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    @tk32 said:

    @Pierre118 said:
    It's sad that development of Atom 2 is stopped, or seems to be stopped. The developer @blueveek doesn't reply anymore since months. Don't know why.

    I would assume it's any combination of the following: life, day job, health, personal and family commitments, etc. Like many other part-time indie iOS developers, they have to balance their passion for making apps with the need to pay bills (and other disruptions).

    I'm sure we'll see him again soon.

    25 month later - mr Victor Porof still missing - nowhere to be seen…

    I think this is pretty strange - I can understand that things happening in life, but, it shouldn’t be that hard to give an official explanation to all the users out there?

    Atom v2 needs some more love and development, but, will it ever happens?? I say no…

  • dalton34grdalton34gr

    I have A question
    Does Helium Records Aftertouch Data ?
    I think atom 2 does

  • KorakiosKorakios

    @HolyMoses said:

    @tk32 said:

    @Pierre118 said:
    It's sad that development of Atom 2 is stopped, or seems to be stopped. The developer @blueveek doesn't reply anymore since months. Don't know why.

    I would assume it's any combination of the following: life, day job, health, personal and family commitments, etc. Like many other part-time indie iOS developers, they have to balance their passion for making apps with the need to pay bills (and other disruptions).

    I'm sure we'll see him again soon.

    25 month later - mr Victor Porof still missing - nowhere to be seen…

    I think this is pretty strange - I can understand that things happening in life, but, it shouldn’t be that hard to give an official explanation to all the users out there?

    Atom v2 needs some more love and development, but, will it ever happens?? I say no…

    Maybe the dev will try a v3 in the future but can't recommend atom anymore. Hopefully he is fine :)
    Helium seems an obvious choice

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses
    edited April 6

    @Korakios said:

    @HolyMoses said:

    @tk32 said:

    @Pierre118 said:
    It's sad that development of Atom 2 is stopped, or seems to be stopped. The developer @blueveek doesn't reply anymore since months. Don't know why.

    I would assume it's any combination of the following: life, day job, health, personal and family commitments, etc. Like many other part-time indie iOS developers, they have to balance their passion for making apps with the need to pay bills (and other disruptions).

    I'm sure we'll see him again soon.

    25 month later - mr Victor Porof still missing - nowhere to be seen…

    I think this is pretty strange - I can understand that things happening in life, but, it shouldn’t be that hard to give an official explanation to all the users out there?

    Atom v2 needs some more love and development, but, will it ever happens?? I say no…

    Maybe the dev will try a v3 in the future but can't recommend atom anymore. Hopefully he is fine :)
    Helium seems an obvious choice

    As I see Helium MIDI Sequencer after some intense testing, it ain’t everything I need for a sequencer…

    Although I can use Logic Pro for iPad, but, I use AUM still, mostly because of some stunning apps that is IAA only.
    So, need a sequencer into AUM that can handle variable tempo and variable time signature…

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