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So, I'm sharing my thoughts, progress, and views on Nanostudio 2 on this thread
Took a little while on this one, but here we go...back to Nanostudio 2. Using Nanostudio 2 reminded me why I really like producing on an iPhone/ iPad. The minimalistic UI, yet feature packed, the amazing drum kits found in Slate, Obsidian Synth, and an excellent MIDI workflow.
Yet, the lack of dedicated audio tracks was a bit of a limitation...well, sorta. I was able to make a song from an idea, and documented the process, as well as my thoughts on Nanostudio 2. Planning on a follow-up video on how I use Nanostudio 2 with other applications.
Anyways, here's the video. Hope you enjoy...
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Thanks for sharing! NS2 is still a fave overall. Incredible features and stability. Its also a real champ for making beats on iPhone.
Keep the YouTube vids going!
Thanks as well, @ipadbeatmaking . Appreciate the support.
Yeah, Nanostudio 2 came as an unexpected surprise for me. I thought I had everything with Cubasis, but Nanostudio 2 just transformed my thought process when working with AUM and Audiobus 3. And on the phone, yeah, it's awesome.
With NS2, Koala, Neon & MTR auv3s I have everything I need to get my tracks started AND finished.
The only thing I was missing was sample timestretching in-house, but with Koala going auv3 & Neon appearing within a day or 2 of it I’m now covered in that department.
The lack of auv3 fx automation seemed like it would be an issue but in reality it has only ever turned out to be for me once - and even then I was able to work around it using NS2’s awesome grouping & routing (once I’d sat & thought about what it actually was I was trying to achieve)
I toyed with getting Cubasis while on offer, and I have Zenbeats, Audio Evolution & Bandlab - all 3 great (especially Audio Evolution) but at the end of the day I just use NS2. It allows me to work quickly & just get things done 👍
@attakk Absolutely. I’m still impressed with how much thought was put into NanoStudio 2. There’s a lot of things in it that just makes sense. It’s kinda like the middle ground between GarageBand and Logic.
I do have to check out Audio Evolution and Bandlab soon. Lots of great apps out there.
I'd be interested in a video on Audio Evolution. On paper it seems great, but the UI just doesn't cut it.
I agree on Nanostudio. Its excellent at what it does, I just wish it also did AUV3 automation (Audio tracks would also be nice - but I could work around that).
At this point I assume its basically dead, which is a shame.
I love the NS2 workflow. Very fast. For my use cases, using Slate as an audio clip launcher/editor minimizes the lack of audio tracks. I've left it behind recently and have been using Koala mostly. Ya got me thinking about taking audio clips from Koala and loading them into Slate to flesh things out on a timeline.
It's got a devoted following for good reason. Thanks for sharing your experiences @seonnthaproducer
I use Slate in the same way - and it’s exactly how I used to trigger audio clips loaded in my Akai S950s from (the then midi-only) Cubase on the Atari ST way before “VST” was even dreamt about, and “audio tracks” were literally tracks on tape on a smpte striped multi-track keeping Cubase in sync with it.
Using Slate & NS2 in this way just feels so intuitive because of it. It was a great workflow back then, and is now too. It’s quick & simple - all I missed in NS2 was the easy timestretching of the S950s. Step forward Koala (and Neon)!
I trigger AudioLayer auv3 instead if the audio clips are long & I need them streaming from disk instead of in memory.
Nanostudio is the best. Good choice Seonn!
This thread has made me think about evaluating NS2 again.
NS2 with Neon Audio Recorders should be a total game changer she nice NS2 has a patchstorage orchestral set and drum patches. Neon fixes the audio recordng holes.
Then you can run 20-30 tracks using Obsidion, Slate and the odd AUv3 until it starts to crap out.
Too bad the developer got off track… shit happens in life.
I hardly use my iPad for music anymore, but NS2 on the iPhone is fantastic.
I think I have a very different expectation of my phone — I find my iPad tends to disappoint for audio compared to my Mac, but I never cease to be amazed what’s possible with this tiny little device that’s always in my pocket.
also I find the need for audio tracks on the phone less of an issue too. I use slate like an old school sampler too.
I often get something going first in BlocsWave then export the loops all nicely stretched and pitch shifted then import them into slate pads to trigger via midi and build the track from there.
It’s such a shame that development has stalled.
As an avid NS2 head, this thread has got me looking at Neon again - the timestetch thing is a bit of a head scratcher, what I’m really after though is something along the lines of Logic’s Flextime - I’ve been using it for over 10 years now and it’s yet to disappoint, so much so that any time stretching or warping is usually done beforehand and the audio Airdropped back to NS2 on my phone.
Is Neon just a straight stretcher or is there some kind of warping available too?
It’s like a Ginzu knife… in the hands of a chef it’s magic. Seriously, I just like the fact if can ignore host sync if I like and record before and after I use the DAW’start/stop. It also has excellent media file control with drag and drop and MIDI triggering for general sampler type uses. Like the AUM File Player on Steriods. Should be powerful in NS 2 after learning it’s UI. @4pockets_paul can use the new ncone while he recovers from surgery too. Help a brother out.
Yeah, slowly realized that there’s a lot of DAWs out there on iOS . I’ll cover as much as I can, but yeah, Audio Evolution really seems interesting @cian
I don’t think it’s dead. The developer does do some maintenance updates, and even a new sample pack added, but there’s a demand for new features, that’s for sure.
I do think he made a great decision to make it available for iOS , as opposed to adding the audio track. It’s a joy to use on mobile, but I’m still hoping for the audio tracks.
@ecamburn Thanks for commenting as well. Yeah, Slate is really awesome. The sounds in it are well designed, and I really like how the pads are accessible, yet scalable. I'm almost tempted to add Koala into the mix, especially with the posts on Neon/Koala.
@attakk YES! Audiolayer. That's another one I could use with Nanostudio 2. I wonder if I should do a short comparison between Obsidian and Audiolayer in my follow-up video. I feel they share some similarities, although Audiolayer is AUv3 which means it'll win by default (lol).
Thanks @israelite . Agreed @cyberheater . Already got some ideas I'd like to test with Nanostudio 2.
@McD Yeah, I'd have loved for more features to be added. Second time i'm seeing Neon. Will have to give it a mention, haha. Haven't tried it yet though. Looks interesting.
@klownshed Yeah, Blocs Wave is still one of my favorite apps. I believe I made a shortcut a while back to send files from Blocs Wave directly into Nanostudio 2 (so long as it's the Project Files which are Zipped) - https://routinehub.co/shortcut/8859/
@KRPT Same. Neon is looking interesting as well.
Researching Neon features... starting the the product description:
Note: Neon imposes a 15min sample length limit on recordings due to it's memory restrictions as an AUv3 plugin.
"The Warp function can automatically adjust the tempo of a clip to the host tempo without affecting pitch."
"Warp / Time Stretch functionality for syncing to host."
"a slicer which allows you to cut up a sample into multiple slices that can be played back via an incoming MIDI controller."
"Auto Sampler"
"Configurable MIDI Support for clip launching"
and for @richardyot "LUFS measurement."
FX List based on description and update text:
Delay
experimental Granular based Mutli-Part Vocal Harmonizer
Particle mode that uses granular synthesis to turn samples into drones or soundscapes.
Warp detuning that is useful when tuning samples before rendering/flattening the sample.
You can also save a rack of plugins along with their settings as a '.rack' file.
Added the ability to load and apply external AUv3 effects in standalone mode (a micro-DAW)
ability to play slices in reverse mode
Slice mode with stretching/warping capabilities
When using WARP mode Neon should now maintains loop selection during tempo change correctly.
Tone Generator module
experimental Vocal Auto Tune
Added output bitrate selection for M4A.
You can now export as 16/24bit WAV format.
Added Latency Compensation to Pitch Shift and AutoTune.
minor bug fixes (is the bug a minor or the user?)
Note: Neon imposes a 15min sample length limit on recordings due to it's memory restrictions as an AUv3 plugin.
I wonder why nobody mentioned Ableton LINK.
It allows 2 iPads (or iPhones!), one running NS2 and the other running Cubasis 3, to run in perfect sync.
Since C3 now also stretches its audio tracks in realtime while syncing, you can run NS2 on your older and C3 on your newer iDevice and have both DAWs instantly accessible.
Adding that to the list (on my follow-up video), and I’ll give you a shoutout for that tip if that’s okay with you @rs2000
Yeah, Neon is looking promising @McD
Sure, go ahead! And don't forget to mention Loopy Pro running in sync with NS2 over LINK as well
Likewise BlocsWave and Launchpad.
Perfect. Will do. Thanks @attakk @rs2000
I hope you have the cycles to give it a fair hearing for recording in NS2. I'm using it in AUM and it's a game changer with a lot of uses.
well poop. i just spent about 60$ on various apps, most i probably wont use, and ive been trying to learn zenbeats, I can see it having alot of potential but for some reason its not clicking with me yet, but BM3 wasnt at first either and some of my best stuff has come out of that. Its the same for NS2. "hmm this seems cool, yeah if i took time to import samples and really dig in it could be good.." then it just sat on the back burner until I finally deleted it. Been trying to learn Zenbeats for getting quick hip hop/boom bap beats down, and idk how good zentracker is but also recording some vocals.. but now I want to re-download NS2 and buy Neon, AudioLayer, and Loopy Pro. Im beta testing Loopy right now. I have like 80 days left. I havent even really dug into it at all. dude... looping is not my comfortzone. I started age 13 on a cracked version of fruity loops. then moved on to a cracked version of reason 5 (after 5 reason emplemented better security and authentication so you cant crack reason past 5)... so yeeeaaarrrs later I bought Reason 11 and an Ipad pro. It has taken me 2 years + my PC completely pooping out on me, forcing me to learn iOS music production but now I have a new PC, ive HAD a new PC for a while now and ive downloaded Reason 11 again, but I have not even used it. I dont even have my workflow down.. but koala sampler... man I was making dope beats with that app the very first hour I heard about it and bought it... SO intuitive to me.
so heres the thing. on the PC i was making EDM/Dubstep. I didnt need alot of sample based loops and sounds. just heavy drums and bass and rude synth with maybe some harmonics... but then i really started getting into Rap beats and boom bap about 3.5 years ago, and now that a couple local rappers have bought a beat or two of mine I kinda do beats pretty much exclusively and these guys like dark gritty modern boombap, the kind you make with samples or synths with tape saturation and other FX that make it sound like a vinyl sample..
i cant decide if i want to really dig into zenbeats, or use xequence2 with loopy pro for the midi sequencing its lacking, or now, try out NS2....
ive heard so much about audiolayer and neon.. i should buy them but i dont really even understand how audiolayer works really, same with neon.. guess youtube is my bestfriend sometimes
@pr4y_4_beats There’s a lot of applications out there, and it’s super easy to get lost, so I totally get that.
Here’s my recommendation…focus on improving your current workflow. You mentioned you have paying clients who seem to connect with your hip hop beats. I doubt they care what app you use, so long as you make something that connects with them.
Agreed that there’s a lot of apps out there, but I’ll say this… you really don’t need much apps. Honestly, I’ve used GarageBand in its default state and made a ton of amazing songs that I look back on.
I’m currently going through a journey to break away from my current workflow, and to appreciate other’s workflow. So far, I’ve looked at Cubasis 2, Cubasis 3, Beatmaker 3, NanoStudio 2, and some others which I didn’t upload like Logic Pro, GarageBand for Mac, Ableton, and Koala Sampler.
Apps are like tools. Work with what you like.
From the sounds of it, you seem to connect with Koala, but are looking for something to bring it together. And you also mentioned being super productive with Beatmaker 3. Why not use them together? Koala is now an AUv3 and it’s one of the quickest apps to start a beat. Beatmaker 3 can help you finish the beat.
Tools like Neon, Audiolayer, Xequence, Loopy pro are simply tools. Not everyone will gravitate towards them, but that’s okay. They each have their uses, but I’d say think about if they’ll really help you with music production. Try not to spend too much time learning an app, but forgetting to create, record and release. Apps are just tools, no matter how amazing they may seem.
Regardless of the fact that it does not use AU’s, I can do a lot with FLSM. For my purposes, it’s NS2 with audio tracks. Hopefully there will be an update soon.
The choice of DAW is fairly unimportant insomuch that I t’s the choice of sounds and how you put them together that counts — the job of the DAW is to help you put sounds together.
Some DAWs will just be plain wrong. For example I could never use a DAW that prevented me from recording in cycle mode, but you should be able to find a daw that fits your brain better than the others.
My favourite DAW Might be the worst for you and vice versa. Once you find one that works forget about what it can’t do and just find ways to make the sounds you need to make. You should be able to do that in most of the DAWs. There’s no problem as far as I’m concerned with wanting to try them all. The important thing, in my opinion, is just to pick one and be done.
Other apps on iOS can help feed the DAW and for my way of working no Daw in iOS will ever be my main hub.
Plugins can help make the sounds you want more easily, but it’s not that hard to make any sound you want with a little ingenuity.
For example. To get a lo-fi crunchy made on vinyl sound you could use MixBox. Or you could program some drums. Bounce them to audio with fox so they loop like a ‘real’ loop (ie the reverb, delay etc get truncated with every loop) dirty it up with judicious use of eq, filters, maybe pitch shit it slightly and then trigger it as midi in a sampler, chop it up further or use it as plain audio and saturation which most daws give you as included plug ins and then mix in some vinyl noise from a sample then maybe pitch shit it slightly and then trigger it as midi in a sampler, chop it up further or use it as plain audio.
No Daw or lack of plugin will stop you making good sounds. Spending time not making sounds is what prevents that, something il’m pretty good at myself (hence being here typing this instead of actually making music myself
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Once you’ve got a setup that works, plugins like mix box will make it quicker and easier to get the sound you want. But you shouldn’t actually need them, most of them will just help you get there with much less effort.
That’s not always a good thing. :-)
Bit of an aside, but listening to the drum kits in Nanostudio 2 reminded me of the drum sounds I liked in Ampify Groovebox. So, I decided to show my favorite sounds there, and convert them into an AUv3.
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Also, the Koala Sampler project files are available for download (for free) in the video comments. After all, the sounds were originally from Ampify Groovebox.