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DAW vs DAWLESS... Do I understand the philosophy of it?

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  • My impression on the use of the term DAWless, in-the-box or out-of-the-box, was that it applied to sequencer based workflows where the sequencer(s) wasn't in the "DAW."

    If you are using AUM as an effects processor for a guitar, then DAWless doesn't mean anything to me. Same thing with using MainStage as a keyboard instrument that is being controlled by a MIDI keyboard.

  • The idea’s pretty widespread, not just in music.

  • @purpan2 said:
    The idea’s pretty widespread, not just in music.

    bs, they still use Windows

  • I’ve tried the DAWless approach and while it’s fun for jamming, it was nearly impossible to make a finished track outside of some more drone-oriented stuff. I still use mostly hardware at times, just for fun, but I’d much rather have the best of both worlds.

  • Multitracker = DAW

    AUM = Going Commando / DAWLESS

    AUM does kind of have a hidden timeline, but that’s just a “digital bonus” eg. like the first version MagicDeathEye hardware is actually a mono unit, but in the digital world it was easily made stereo.

  • If you play out live and somebody sees a laptop not matter if it's just a cat picture or your dead grandma in a casket, you are not dawless. Anyways, I was thinking about going dawless and using the moniker Lucy Dawless or D.S.A. Dawless Society of America. I'm in Canada so, it would be viable I think.

  • @vasilymilovidov said:

    @purpan2 said:
    The idea’s pretty widespread, not just in music.

    bs, they still use Windows

    Hahaha!!!

  • @vasilymilovidov said:

    @purpan2 said:
    The idea’s pretty widespread, not just in music.

    bs, they still use Windows

    lol. And they seem to be on grass most of the time....

  • @paradiddle said:
    If you play out live and somebody sees a laptop not matter if it's just a cat picture or your dead grandma in a casket, you are not dawless. Anyways, I was thinking about going dawless and using the moniker Lucy Dawless or D.S.A. Dawless Society of America. I'm in Canada so, it would be viable I think.

    Patent that moniker! :lol:

  • To me hardware dawless is about getting away from the glowing screen after a long day in front of it.

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    @senhorlampada said:

    @paradiddle said:
    If you play out live and somebody sees a laptop not matter if it's just a cat picture or your dead grandma in a casket, you are not dawless. Anyways, I was thinking about going dawless and using the moniker Lucy Dawless or D.S.A. Dawless Society of America. I'm in Canada so, it would be viable I think.

    Patent that moniker! :lol:

  • Can a non linear jam in Aum be considered as Dawless or iPad Dawless?
    Maybe we need a trendier name for all the Dawless geeks

  • This has always more or less meant "recording to tape" with an implication that you're not going to "waste time" with post-processing (though I think mastering has always been permitted). "Tape" could be a hard disk recorder, just so long as it's not a computer.

    When the term started it made more sense. Software and digital tools have come so far that the creative issues surrounding them have changed dramatically for the better. Computers are everywhere - Euroracks are full of them, for example, not to mention iPads.

    IMO there's still plenty of reason to opt out of the multitrack DAW process. You probably won't get your tracks played in front of 25,000 people at that megaclub, but that's not your goal (unless you're delusional or a genius).

    Folks who want to believe their approach to recording music makes them special are just immature.

  • I bet some musicians compose and perform arrangements live, on several instruments simultaneously, but not many can pull that off. What you get instead is a slowly-changing jam, which is fun for the musician but tedious for the listener.

    I wonder how much this has to do with using modular and hardware grooveboxes as a relaxing hobby? Many people say that they use a computer all day and don’t want to look at another screen (unless its a tiny, pixelated OLED, apparently). Maybe DAWless is a nice way to unwind, like playing guitar, or knitting (knitting is amazing for this btw).

    But unless you’re a live performance genius who can also run the mixer, your jams won’t be fit for anyone else to listen to.

    One might say that DAWless is for people that can’t be bothered to edit.

  • That’s pretty much my take on it as well... and like you said, it’s therapeutic, I rarely want to share any of it with anyone else, but if don’t dance after 1hour I no know something’s not right :)

  • @paradiddle said:
    If you play out live and somebody sees a laptop not matter if it's just a cat picture or your dead grandma in a casket, you are not dawless. Anyways, I was thinking about going dawless and using the moniker Lucy Dawless or D.S.A. Dawless Society of America. I'm in Canada so, it would be viable I think.

    👏👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌🙌 DSA 2 MDGA !

  • It’s a hipster thing.

  • @suboptimal said:
    Folks who want to believe their approach to recording music makes them special are just immature.

    The term “Dawless” makes me cringe when it relates to some hipster in a park with a Deluge or some obviously digital music making devices. “Look ma, no hands” kind of thing.
    There’s musical and practical reasons to avoid a computer, multi tracking, screens, whatever.

    • You work with a computer all day and I need to step away from it on my free (music) time. No mouse, no keyboard, gesture change…
    • Knobs are great and sexy (yes, that sounds terrible)
    • immediacy in not being able to go back and edit. You can do this in a daw too, just don’t edit. Bounce to audio in Loopy. Keep your first take and embrace imperfection (I do).

    I use the iPad for music mainly to avoid the mouse/keyboard posture and so I can lay on the sofa. If I had a ton of money and devices were portable enough I’d also ditch the screen.
    I’ve been tempted by the Deluge for a long time as it seems like the most “getaway”. I feel like the MPc’s or Maschines are closer to an iPad with hardware knobs. These are all daws, btw.

  • Deluge is great. I think it gets you very close to writing full tracks, it's very immediate. But it gives you no real freedom in exploring sounds or rhythms. It's a very straightforward groovebox. Maybe this new Polyend box will bring something special to the table. But in my opinion if you're not using one of the classic Elektron machines, it's very hard to break yourself and your machine free from all the common patterns. Which is also fine.

  • @tahiche said:
    I’m a “mouseless” advocate

    If this is not yet in all your social media profiles it should be

  • @purpan2 said:
    The idea’s pretty widespread, not just in music.

    ... one week later, the new buyers still look for a way in

  • @vasilymilovidov said:
    Deluge is great. I think it gets you very close to writing full tracks, it's very immediate. But it gives you no real freedom in exploring sounds or rhythms.

    The Deluge 4.0 update released yesterday has entered the chat

  • @legsmechanical said:

    @vasilymilovidov said:
    Deluge is great. I think it gets you very close to writing full tracks, it's very immediate. But it gives you no real freedom in exploring sounds or rhythms.

    The Deluge 4.0 update released yesterday has entered the chat

    It takes about 10 knob twists and pushes to assign a wavetable to a track, so I don't know

  • @sevenape HAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!

  • @sevenape said:

    Maaan - this is totally bang on 👌👌😁

  • Going DAWless ain’t enough.. You ain’t gangsta till you go DAWless, lawless, flawless, and braless, yo!

  • edited April 2022

    I don't use the term DAWless myself, but I enjoy the kind of workflow that's possible when "jamming out" the music, as opposed to composing it in non-realtime on a linear timeline. This is a typical workflow when using modular synths, hardware sequencers, etc, but could as well be done in software (for example AUM, obviously).
    All my music is made this way, jamming until it sounds good, then I press record (and keep jamming until satisfied).

    Then I'm happy to do some post production afterwards, some minor editing, mastering, etc. Songs tend to get a bit long when working like this, so some cutting might indeed be needed :)

  • edited May 2022

    My attempt to create a continuous Groovebox performance template on one iOS device continues.
    Made couple in Aum but got stuck, waiting for features on road map.
    I keep on getting my Loopy Pro template tightened.

    Furthest I got is on my pc with Ableton.

    a Groovebox performance for me is muting and unmuting prerecorded channels and applying different effects (I like using snapshots)
    and playing instruments on top.

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