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Synthmaster one automation in cubasis

NimgwenNimgwen
edited April 2022 in General App Discussion

Can anyone confirm this issue with Synthmaster One. It seems stops reading automation when you activate write mode on cubasis 3. This makes overlaying various automations hard. It will only start playing all the automations again if you disable the write mode and then turn off/on the read mode.

I was planning on buying Synthmaster 2 with the sale now, but can anyone check if this is also a problem with automating Synthmaster 2 in cubasis 3?

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  • NimgwenNimgwen
    edited May 2022

    So I went ahead and bought synthmaster 2 as the sale is almost over.... and it does have the same issue god damn it lol. So I guess anyone looking at it keep in mind this issue with the automation recording inside cubasis. I will write a bug report and see what happens, because other synths do not behave like this (Animoog z, magellan 2, micrologue they record and play automation just fine without stopping).

  • uncledaveuncledave

    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @uncledave said:
    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

    Fwiw, I believe that automation recording in Cubasis and most DAWs is recording AU parameter values, not MIDI.

  • uncledaveuncledave

    @espiegel123 said:

    @uncledave said:
    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

    Fwiw, I believe that automation recording in Cubasis and most DAWs is recording AU parameter values, not MIDI.

    Yes. I was confused by the screenshot that looks like a piano roll. But the situation is the same, is it not? The app only responds to what the host sends. Or does CB actually record adjustments you make in the synth app?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @uncledave said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @uncledave said:
    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

    Fwiw, I believe that automation recording in Cubasis and most DAWs is recording AU parameter values, not MIDI.

    Yes. I was confused by the screenshot that looks like a piano roll. But the situation is the same, is it not? The app only responds to what the host sends. Or does CB actually record adjustments you make in the synth app?

    CB, like Auria and Beatmaker and others that do automation recording, records the parameter changes when turning knobs for those AU that publish the parameter changes. That is what recording automation does in those apps.

    These are higher res values than MIDI. Some AU provide touch information back to the host, too. In Auria, if I recall correctly, parameter recording only works right for those AU that report touch information.

  • NimgwenNimgwen
    edited May 2022

    @uncledave said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @uncledave said:
    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

    Fwiw, I believe that automation recording in Cubasis and most DAWs is recording AU parameter values, not MIDI.

    Yes. I was confused by the screenshot that looks like a piano roll. But the situation is the same, is it not? The app only responds to what the host sends. Or does CB actually record adjustments you make in the synth app?

    yeah the screenshot does not quite show what happens, would need a short video. That piano roll is just playing some chords on synthmaster, but my issue is with the parameter automation writing/reading (controlled by those R and W buttons). Basically you can record the turning of knobs on auv3s hosted inside cubasis 3 by pressing the W buttons and it should play all your recorded automations as long as the R button is turned on. This works fine with animoog Z, Magellan 2 and micrologue (cubasis internal synth) and others.

    Synthmaster 1 & 2 do record automation and play it back, but there is this issue that when you want to record more automations, (on different knobs though, because cubasis messes up when you try to overwrite automation of the same parameter in this way), then you enable the W button, but Synthmaster suddenly stops reading the previous automations, even though the R is still active, you have to turn it off then on for it to start reading the automations again. This makes it impossible to record new automations while hearing the effects of all the previous ones, which is very annoying when you are overlaying automations.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Nimgwen said:

    @uncledave said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @uncledave said:
    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

    Fwiw, I believe that automation recording in Cubasis and most DAWs is recording AU parameter values, not MIDI.

    Yes. I was confused by the screenshot that looks like a piano roll. But the situation is the same, is it not? The app only responds to what the host sends. Or does CB actually record adjustments you make in the synth app?

    yeah the screenshot does not quite show what happens, would need a short video. That piano roll is just playing some chords on synthmaster, but my issue is with the parameter automation writing/reading (controlled by those R and W buttons). Basically you can record the turning of knobs on auv3s hosted inside cubasis 3 by pressing the W buttons and it should play all your recorded automations as long as the R button is turned on. This works fine with animoog Z, Magellan 2 and micrologue (cubasis internal synth) and others.

    Synthmaster 1 & 2 do record automation and play it back, but there is this issue that when you want to record more automations, (on different knobs though, because cubasis messes up when you try to overwrite automation of the same parameter in this way), then you enable the W button, but Synthmaster suddenly stops reading the previous automations, even though the R is still active, you have to turn it off then on for it to start reading the automations again. This makes it impossible to record new automations while hearing the effects of all the previous ones, which is very annoying when you are overlaying automations.

    I would contact both the developers of Cubasis and SynthMaster and provide a link to them of video demonstrating the issue. A video is often more compelling than words.

  • NimgwenNimgwen
    edited May 2022

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Nimgwen said:

    @uncledave said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @uncledave said:
    I'd just like to point out that the controls (R, W, etc.) you see in the title bar for SynthMasterOne are not part of SynthMasterOne. They are Cubasis controls. SMOne does not read or record MIDI, it just responds to MIDI from Cubasis. Clearly, it works differently from your other apps, so there may be some difference in the interface it presents, or in how Cubasis interprets that interface. You might check in the Steinberg forums for similar issues and possible solutions.

    Fwiw, I believe that automation recording in Cubasis and most DAWs is recording AU parameter values, not MIDI.

    Yes. I was confused by the screenshot that looks like a piano roll. But the situation is the same, is it not? The app only responds to what the host sends. Or does CB actually record adjustments you make in the synth app?

    yeah the screenshot does not quite show what happens, would need a short video. That piano roll is just playing some chords on kle, but my issue is with the parameter automation writing/reading (controlled by those R and W buttons). Basically you can record the turning of knobs on auv3s hosted inside cubasis 3 by pressing the W buttons and it should play all your recorded automations as long as the R button is turned on. This works fine with animoog Z, Magellan 2 and micrologue (cubasis internal synth) and others.

    Synthmaster 1 & 2 do record automation and play it back, but there is this issue that when you want to record more automations, (on different knobs though, because cubasis messes up when you try to overwrite automation of the same parameter in this way), then you enable the W button, but Synthmaster suddenly stops reading the previous automations, even though the R is still active, you have to turn it off then on for it to start reading the automations again. This makes it impossible to record new automations while hearing the effects of all the previous ones, which is very annoying when you are overlaying automations.

    I would contact both the developers of Cubasis and SynthMaster and provide a link to them of video demonstrating the issue. A video is often more compelling than words.

    I did contact Synthmaster's developers through a form they had on their support website. I did not send a video, could not attach files on the form, but they should email me soon. Here I uploaded a youtube video of what I think the bug is.

    You can see this is a 20 bar long loop of midi chords and there is a smooth automation of the XY pad controlling the filter. I'm not touching the screen, just letting cubasis 3 control the XY pad through the automation I just recorded. First I let it play through once, then when I turn on the write mode, to add more automations (the W button lights up in red color), it immediately stops the XY path automation and stays stuck on that value. I disable write mode and it still does not play, then I disable and enable read mode (the green R button) and it snaps back to the automation value it should be at that point of the loop and continues playing the automation smoothly until I try to enable write mode again and it gets stuck again.

    I guess I should also make a video of what the expected behavior should be? as it works fine in my other synths.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Tagging the devs so they might see it @lbiyikoglu, @kv331audio_bulent

  • lbiyikoglulbiyikoglu

    hello, I will check and fix that issue

  • NimgwenNimgwen

    @lbiyikoglu said:
    hello, I will check and fix that issue

    Hello and thanks for taking the time to look into it :)

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