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DRAMBO 2.0 is LIVE!!!

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  • edited May 2022

    Massive Update <3 !

  • @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

  • @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    If you really want to dive into MPE, you're better off on desktop apps I think.
    While a lot of different scenarios have been tested during development of v2.0, rarely any tests have been done with MPE sources so better don't expect it to work perfectly.

  • @Samu said:

    @sloJordan said:

    @giku_beepstreet has anyone already reported that the menus are all condensed on my ipad mini 5th gen?

    Have you by any change increased the font size under ‘Display & Brightness’ in the Settings.app?

    @giku_beepstreet @Samu @rs2000, thanks for your responses, yes I have the font increased. But I am hoping I am able to keep the font increased if possible. The menu should still be able to draw properly with any text size, no? It helps the eyes!

  • @sloJordan said:

    @Samu said:

    @sloJordan said:

    @giku_beepstreet has anyone already reported that the menus are all condensed on my ipad mini 5th gen?

    Have you by any change increased the font size under ‘Display & Brightness’ in the Settings.app?

    @giku_beepstreet @Samu @rs2000, thanks for your responses, yes I have the font increased. But I am hoping I am able to keep the font increased if possible. The menu should still be able to draw properly with any text size, no? It helps the eyes!

    I get that - the maximum font size in iOS settings is already supported, it's only the "extra large" accessibility option that exceeds the available space in the menu.

  • @sloJordan said:

    @Samu said:

    @sloJordan said:

    @giku_beepstreet has anyone already reported that the menus are all condensed on my ipad mini 5th gen?

    Have you by any change increased the font size under ‘Display & Brightness’ in the Settings.app?

    @giku_beepstreet @Samu @rs2000, thanks for your responses, yes I have the font increased. But I am hoping I am able to keep the font increased if possible. The menu should still be able to draw properly with any text size, no? It helps the eyes!

    +1 for that, I have degrading eye-sight and use +1 step up from the default on my iPad Air 2 and that works but If I go up another step it gets messy.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    If you really want to dive into MPE, you're better off on desktop apps I think.
    While a lot of different scenarios have been tested during development of v2.0, rarely any tests have been done with MPE sources so better don't expect it to work perfectly.

    Thanks!

    I've got Equator, Cypher 2 and Strobe 2, to use with the Rise, so that's all fun 'n' games. I just assumed (Incorrectly it seems) that Dr. and Ani both being MPE was a sure sign that they'd work together in the manner I'd expected.

    It's a shame, but never mind.

  • @el_bo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    If you really want to dive into MPE, you're better off on desktop apps I think.
    While a lot of different scenarios have been tested during development of v2.0, rarely any tests have been done with MPE sources so better don't expect it to work perfectly.

    Thanks!

    I've got Equator, Cypher 2 and Strobe 2, to use with the Rise, so that's all fun 'n' games. I just assumed (Incorrectly it seems) that Dr. and Ani both being MPE was a sure sign that they'd work together in the manner I'd expected.

    It's a shame, but never mind.

    If you need to know more about mpe. Let me know.

    Joking.

  • @sigma79 said:

    @el_bo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    If you really want to dive into MPE, you're better off on desktop apps I think.
    While a lot of different scenarios have been tested during development of v2.0, rarely any tests have been done with MPE sources so better don't expect it to work perfectly.

    Thanks!

    I've got Equator, Cypher 2 and Strobe 2, to use with the Rise, so that's all fun 'n' games. I just assumed (Incorrectly it seems) that Dr. and Ani both being MPE was a sure sign that they'd work together in the manner I'd expected.

    It's a shame, but never mind.

    If you need to know more about mpe. Let me know.

    Joking.

    :)

  • Getting crashes and losing work. Nothing repeatable yet, and more often than not it’s when loading an AUv3. But damn, it doesn’t help me trust that my work will be safe.

    Back to Ableton, for a few more updates at least. :(

  • @mistercharlie said:
    Getting crashes and losing work. Nothing repeatable yet, and more often than not it’s when loading an AUv3. But damn, it doesn’t help me trust that my work will be safe.

    Back to Ableton, for a few more updates at least. :(

    Sorry to hear that, have a talk with @giku_beepstreet
    or leave a comment over on the Beepstreet forum.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    Getting crashes and losing work. Nothing repeatable yet, and more often than not it’s when loading an AUv3. But damn, it doesn’t help me trust that my work will be safe.

    Back to Ableton, for a few more updates at least. :(

    Hmm, I haven’t had a crash yet but some weirdness with stuck midi notes.

    What AUv3?

  • @mistercharlie said:
    Getting crashes and losing work. Nothing repeatable yet, and more often than not it’s when loading an AUv3. But damn, it doesn’t help me trust that my work will be safe.

    Back to Ableton, for a few more updates at least. :(

    Are you loading super flaky AudioKit apps by any chance?

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  • @FP0 said:
    ‘Soft Recalls’ by @childofthecorndog
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50183/cotcd-soft-recalls-microfreak-pack-free-drambo-instruments

    TB303 clone by @dendy
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50207/tb303-clone-in-drambo

    Exactly what Drambo 2.0 needs, in my opinion, more shared patches, showing what the modules can do, in the right hands

    There was a plan to include more user patches as factory presets at some point. Maybe we can get that resurrected for the next version.

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @FP0 said:
    ‘Soft Recalls’ by @childofthecorndog
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50183/cotcd-soft-recalls-microfreak-pack-free-drambo-instruments

    TB303 clone by @dendy
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50207/tb303-clone-in-drambo

    Exactly what Drambo 2.0 needs, in my opinion, more shared patches, showing what the modules can do, in the right hands

    There was a plan to include more user patches as factory presets at some point. Maybe we can get that resurrected for the next version.

    That would help newbs more than anything else!

  • edited May 2022

    Really loving this app now. Managed to squeak out and release a few tracks using it before and using it in a very basic way.

    Mostly was using modified things on patchstorage, so if anyone is hesitant, you don't need to understand much of modular at all. Good intro and refreshers https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=beepstreet_drambo

    and this has some decent modular concepts too
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/6kusbghr2evmm5g/The+book+of+bad+ideas+V2.pdf

  • @mistercharlie Which AUs are you using? I've been using Beta for a long time, and had maybe 1 crash.

  • Ok, so swiping left on a pattern takes it to the piano roll.. Thanks SFM.

  • Late to the praise party for the dev and the beta testers. Amazing work overall!

  • @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    One of the issues with quantizing MPE is that there can be a stream of controller messages that provide expression and that data does not quantize well and some needs to be precisely aligned with the notes.

    MTR was developed because there were basically no DAWs or sequencer plug ins that correctly recorded and played back all the relevant info with enough precision to recreate an Animoog performance. Errors were to be found on both capture and playback.

  • @BroCoast said:

    What AUv3?

    @echoopera said:

    >

    Are you loading super flaky AudioKit apps by any chance?

    Ha! Yes, FM Player, but that hasn’t crashed it yet.

    @auxmux said:
    @mistercharlie Which AUs are you using? I've been using Beta for a long time, and had maybe 1 crash.

    One of them was Eventide’s Spring. Crash as soon as I tapped load. I also have one repeatable crash, which happens when I try to share already-saved modules. Will check it again after updating to the new ios and report it.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    One of the issues with quantizing MPE is that there can be a stream of controller messages that provide expression and that data does not quantize well and some needs to be precisely aligned with the notes.

    MTR was developed because there were basically no DAWs or sequencer plug ins that correctly recorded and played back all the relevant info with enough precision to recreate an Animoog performance. Errors were to be found on both capture and playback.

    I understand. However, putting aside the fact that it can be done on desktop, Geert has managed to do it on iPad. I don't know if @GeertBevin is amenable to licensing his code for DAW creators, but perhaps it's just a case of it not being a priority for any of them.

    Of course, the MPE issues seem even more basic, given that most DAW seem to not support using Animoog's internal keyboard, which imo is a huge part of the puzzle

  • wimwim
    edited May 2022

    @el_bo said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @el_bo said:

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo keep in mind that MIDI Tape Recorder was developed due to lack of support in (almost all iOS) daws for proper MPE recording.

    Thanks! I thought it was more a case of DAW being able to capture MPE, but not be able to play it back correctly. But the issues seem to run deeper, with respect to DAW usage.

    @bleep said:
    @el_bo just commit to audio and get on with it ... :smile:

    Definitely something I'm considering. But in certain cases, I'd want parts to be able to be quantised and edit automation of the MPE expressions. But I'm starting to see that might be a little optimistic ;)

    One of the issues with quantizing MPE is that there can be a stream of controller messages that provide expression and that data does not quantize well and some needs to be precisely aligned with the notes.

    MTR was developed because there were basically no DAWs or sequencer plug ins that correctly recorded and played back all the relevant info with enough precision to recreate an Animoog performance. Errors were to be found on both capture and playback.

    I understand. However, putting aside the fact that it can be done on desktop, Geert has managed to do it on iPad. I don't know if @GeertBevin is amenable to licensing his code for DAW creators, but perhaps it's just a case of it not being a priority for any of them.

    Of course, the MPE issues seem even more basic, given that most DAW seem to not support using Animoog's internal keyboard, which imo is a huge part of the puzzle

    Midi Tape Recorder is already a totally free and https://github.com/gbevin/MIDITapeRecorder (Creative Commons license). So no problem there. But you’re right, some DAWs, including Drambo, have a more fundamental issue with not being able to record midi out from AU plugins in the first place.

  • edited May 2022

    Some bugs with automations of AU. When you change a preset in the AU (for example in Agonizer), some automations stop playing . If you just touch the knob then it start again...

  • Since it hasn’t been said, I will. What a great update! 👏
    Got a question for you Drammaniacs.
    Is there any way you can have p-locks “decoupled” from note lengths?.
    Take this example:

    Can I make the parameter lock go on longer than the note itself?. It’s obviously overridden or rest on the next note.
    Surely this is a case for the great new automation, but automation doesn’t have cycle conditions if you only want that p-lock on certain cycles or random.
    Thanks!

  • @wim said:
    Midi Tape Recorder is already a totally free and https://github.com/gbevin/MIDITapeRecorder (Creative Commons license). So no problem there. But you’re right, some DAWs, including Drambo, have a more fundamental issue with not being able to record midi out from AU plugins in the first place.

    Thanks!

    I knew MTR was free, but didn't know about the licensing.

    I wonder what it is that is stopping certain DAW from being able to record MIDI out from AUv3. Which do?

  • edited May 2022

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  • edited May 2022

    @giku_beepstreet said:
    Finally! It took so long. Downloading!

    Really need more than 16 cc parameter mappings for an effect that I dont want to record. Until I cool with the audio and obviously want to make the track in Drambo.

    Recall of mappings on a module or track basis might be cool but not a priority. For your good self.

    Thanks.

    Might have a work around. Just send audio of track to aum. Where I can map controller.

  • edited May 2022

    My latest Drambo tutorial is up. It covers the piano roll in version 2.0 and other bits and pieces. The deepest of dives!

    I'm hoping to creep over 100 subscribers with this one (EDIT: Broken! Now I’m greedy for 150, uh oh!) so please do like and subscribe if you haven't already! I massively appreciate all your good wishes and comments so far.

    Also, suggestions from you good people about future tutorials would be gratefully received. Put them in the comments of any of my vids and I'll compile a list!

    Blurb:

    Drambo 2.0's update gives us a lovely piano roll along all its other enhancements. This video is such a deep dive into the mode that even Tom Daley would be afraid of it! Hark, beginners to Drambo. Hark, Drambo returnees. Hark, fans of mistakes. You should all get something out of this one. You WILL find out how the piano roll fits together with everything we've learnt so far. You WILL get a nugget of Drambo's ancient history. You WILL learn the difference between tap and hold, even if I can't. You WILL experience discussions on scroll modes and velocity that could make grown men cry. All this, plus an exclusive reveal of which surprise celebrity is the first to endorse this fair YouTube channel. If you enjoy this kind of thing, please like and subscribe.

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