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Automation in cubasis 3 with SynthMaster 2
Hey guys I’ve been struggling to figure out how to record automation in cubasis 3 with SynthMaster 2 , I have done the obvious (turning on read and write) but I can’t get cubasis to record the knobs I move in SynthMaster. It seems like i could midi learn certain controls and then that would likely work but there are so many controls I don’t want to have to midi map them all, also I don’t want to even use a midi controller for what I’m doing as I’m using the app “ velocity keyboard” as a midi controller for a simple in the box setup. I was hoping I could just tweak a knob in the gui and it would record straight away as quite a few other apps work. Any ideas?
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I try to remember…there was something with the knobs to record….if I remember right it’s only possible to automate the macro-knobs. So you have to map the the knob you like to automate to the macro knob (you can map more than one knob to the macro😉) and than record the automation of the macro.
I hope I’m right or it’s a useful workaround 😎
This is correct, (it stumped me for a while too). The only automatable controls in Synthmaster 2 are the 8 'easy knobs'. If you want to automate cutoff (for example), map it to 'easy knob 1' first, then automate easy knob 1 movements instead.
You can also automate using the XY pad, but there is a bug that a I reported a month ago (they said they are working on it). The automations turn off when you enable write mode (W button)
Thread about the bug
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50015/synthmaster-one-automation-in-cubasis
aha thanks guys, good to know about the 8 knob trick. Thats better than nothing for sure but still a shame. Whats peoples thoughts about any other synths that are on par with synth master 2 or perhaps better that do record all parameters? Animoog z or magellan 2 for example as listed in that thread Nimgwen posted. Is synth master 2 at the top in sound quality?
I'm slowly making a list of auv3 synths/apps whose parameters are automatable, or not, in cubasis 3 using the W/R buttons, because the are some which can't or are bugged and there really is no way to know before buying them. I was thinking of making a thread about it here when I have enough free time. So far I have this on my notes (this a rough draft so take it with a grain of salt):
I would add that Tera pro seems to take automation from cubasis 3 as well, even on the modulation intensity sliders, but I have not tested thoroughly because there is too much going on with that massive synth.
Cool I just bought Tera pro, it’s pretty good sounding. Now I’ve got another problem I wonder if you could help with. Why is it when I have music on a loop in cubasis, the automation line doesn’t properly delete all the points from the previous cycle of the loop, leaving all these other automation points so it does this aggressive wobble between old and new points. I’m just use to working in ableton where automation is replaced
Teras effects can’t be automated it seems
Yep, welcome to cubasis, so wonderful at times, yet so shitty at another time lmao. It replaces points properly when you draw on it in the editor (I recommend using apple pen to make it less fiddly), otherwise you need to do the automation in one take or clear and try again, because if you try to stack it by manually turning the knobs it makes that mess. My best work flow is to do it manually first, to get an idea what kind of curve I want, then use the pen/finger to edit the curve it into the exact shape I want. (change the grid setting to increase/decrease the amount of points you draw, makes it much easier to deal with)
Also if you want to copy/paste points always do it from left to right, if you try to paste something to the left of some already drawn points it will bug out like this:
Also go to the cubasis 3 forum and report this issues so they hopefully fix them (this app used to be VERY buggy and they have slowly patched it up, but some issues remain), they have a format there for reporting issues: https://forums.steinberg.net/c/cubasis/7
Also you can mention @LFS, who is a Steinberg employee who also sometimes posts in this forum, to report your issues. (But he is most likely to reply to your issues on their own official forums)
Another important tip is that some apps also have midi learn/midi cc/midi key mapping, which means you can automate them by using the piano roll and the midi cc editor, rather than using the automation editor. For example I use midi notes to switch presets in looperator and midi cc to control the wet/dry faders, since looperator does not respond to cubasis automation. (Though the midi cc editor also has some issues, check this thread: https://forums.steinberg.net/t/bug-in-midi-cc-curve-editing/718336), yet I have successfully used midi notes and cc to control other apps as well like chordjam and playbeat 3. Although when freezing down looperator tracks there is another issue (and a work around I posted there as well): https://forums.steinberg.net/t/freeze-track-audio-does-not-capture-changes-to-insert-audiofx-controlled-by-another-midi-track/787694
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Unfortunately I just will pass on using this until steinberg fixes this automation issue, my workflow needs to be fluid, as soon as I have non intuitive headaches I give up and go back to ableton on my MacBook which I love. I would love to have a similar intuitive flow with my iPad but I guess I need to wait a few more years
I'm sorry to inform you it's been like this for the past 10 years in iOS music making, always bugs, limitations and needs to find work arounds and optimal workflows, though it has been getting better and better as well. I gave up on it multiple times through the years, but now with auv3 and hosts like cubasis, aum, drambo, loopy pro, beatmaker.... now you can really get stuff done when you learn the workflows.
This kind of resource would be really valuable.
Yes, this forum is a great resource but specific information on cubasis and auv3 interactions can be a bit scarce. I want to change that by making lists like that into threads where other cubasis users can collaborate. I will try to make a thread about automation on the weekend, currently really busy with university courses.
Yes I’ve been messing around with iOS daws for a while, I’ve never really given any that much time as I always seem to hit a road block that makes me put it down and go back to ableton. Cubasis 3 is so close but there is a few things that bug the f out of me (I guess pun intended 😂) I really like using velocity keyboard as a midi plugin in cubasis, for me it was a game changer until I invest time in finding a workflow only to fin it has weird bugs. I really don’t like the midi editing workflow, i wish there was a way to change default velocity, there should be a select all option and then add a move down one octave button, should be able to select midi notes by hitting piano roll (like in ableton) and then draw a velocity line which only effects selected notes….this is just a few other things that annoy me. Loopy pro however is the reason I bought my iPad Pro, michael is the man, I was a beta tester for that app…what an awesome dude michael is and he puts in so much work to iron out bugs. If only every other developer was like him, the ios music app world would be a lot more reliable!