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Cubasis 3 and LAYR Mixdown Issues
Any of you fine folk using the LaYR synth inside Cubasis? I have a project with a few LaYR tracks and when I go to Mixdown and export stems the layer tracks come out as what sounds like general midi?!?! Definitely not the LaYR patch used in the project. I thought it may be a bug with the Mixdown function so I tried freezing each track but the same thing happens to the frozen render for the LaYR tracks. Any thoughts @LFS? Keen to export this project so I can finish it in Logic on the Mac.
Thanks so much!
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Have you tried activating real-time mixdown and freeze in the settings? I think it was @LinearLineman who recommended me that for a similar problem I experienced. (Didn’t work for me unfortunately, I often encounter mixdown issues..)
Yes, cubasis user here. Had the same issue even with real time mixdown option enabled.
I used Neon to record the layr tracks. It has been the only option in my case to deal with layr track mixdowns. Neon records to 16bit I believe so take that into accnt.
I just tried this with track freeze, the sound it produces is as if the layr performance has not been loaded, it produces the basic sine wave sound you get when you first open layr, not sure if this is a cubasis bug or a layr bug....
Thanks so much @prtr_jan @Bob and @Nimgwen for your replies. You're spot on @Nimgwen, it's the basic sine wave in Layr. Nice pick up. It's as though the selected patch is being ignored. I must try this in Nanostudio to make sure Layr isn't the culprit. Thanks @bob for the Neon pathway. I wonder if I could use IDAM to deliver it straight into Logic?
Man I really hope that any other Mixdown issues are far and few between. Only exported a few projects thus far and this is the first. I moved across to Cubasis from Nanostudio for the extra features and the occasion use of an audio track however if I find my work getting trapped in there I may need to move back. I use the iPad to generate parts and works on compositions then bring it into logic to further arrange and add and record audio so the audio capabilities of Cubasis and the lack of in Nanostudio are not the big deal I thought they were originally. Still I really do like working in Cubasis. Sorry I'm rambling now. Thanks again!
Well, well, well. Just tried the same in Nanostudio and had the exact same issue. The selected patch is completely ignored by Layr when mixing down in a DAW. I wonder if there was an update that borked things as surely this issue would have arisen for others before now. Sorry I should have tagged at @LivingMemorySoftware in my original post.
You may want to contact Andy (LayR dev) via his web site or email. I don’t know if he visits here much these days.
Does Cubasis have a real-time freeze mode? A few other synths have issues in NS2 which someone mentioned is related to NS2 using a higher sample rate during rendering.
You should send them a bug report email. I found a bug with automating layr in cubasis a couple of weeks ago (turning the knobs gets very jittery and produce jittery automation points). I sent a video of the bug and they replied in a couple of days. They said they were looking to fix it soon. This is an even worse bug though, hopefully they will look into it as well.
Thanks team. Yes I sent a bug report to the dev so hoping there’s a fix. Really love the sounds that come out of LayR.
In the meantime I'll see if IDAM can provide a quick fix. Haven't used IDAM much so it may be an adventure!
Update - I finally tried Real Time freeze on one Layr track in Cubasis and it worked! Thanks so much to @prtr_jan and @espiegel123 for the suggestion. Currently freezing the other Layr tracks and will then export. Love this forum!
Glad to hear it!
This is what I did as well Cubasis needs an Edison sampler like FL Studio has would be nice.
Neon is a pretty good sustitute Cubasis need to implement "Drag and Drop"
Did you try using Cubasis’ real-time freeze option?
Fwiw, if you have loopy pro, you can record at higher bit depths that 16.
I tried the realtime freeze the same result as the mix down.
So this was with LayR as well? Weird that the real time freeze and mix down is working here. Still not ideal as it is slooooooooooow.
Is this the same bug as here: https://forums.steinberg.net/t/cubasis-3-rendering-wrong-layr-preset/700379
?
It is however as I discovered above it seems to be an issue with LayR as the same problem occurs in NanoStudio.
True. Don’t get your hopes up on fixing this bug it’s been reported to Living Memory as well over a year ago and no fix. I’ve also reported to LM about another bug over a year ago and hasn’t been fixed either
I will be incredibly disappointed if this turns out to be the case. Layr is not a cheap synth by mobile app standards and it would seem that this would be one of the most basic use cases for the synth. In my own case I'm just glad that Cubasis saved the day with the real time freeze/mixdown option. Not sure if there is a workaround for Nanostudio. Ironic as I was blaming Cubasis in the first instance! Sorry @lfs continue your excellent work and ignore me