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Advice on upgrading iPad Air...

iamspooniamspoon
in General App Discussion

Budget £300 to £400.

Storage at least 64GB.

Headphone jack preferred.

Possible source for used iPad: https://www.musicmagpie.co.uk/store/category/ipads-and-tablets/apple/

Thanks for your thoughts or advice.

Comments

  • GLaceyGLacey
    edited June 2022

    @iamspoon said:
    Budget £300 to £400.

    Storage at least 64GB.

    Headphone jack preferred.

    Possible source for used iPad: https://www.musicmagpie.co.uk/store/category/ipads-and-tablets/apple/

    Thanks for your thoughts or advice.

    How about a brand new ipad with 256 GB at £459 ?
    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-ipad/ipad-10-2

    It's even better than the Air 3. It has headphone jack.

  • iamspooniamspoon
    edited June 2022

    Cheers for the link. That does look really good.
    I got a bit lost since there seems to be so many variants now but the comparison chart makes it clear for current models at least.

    Space grey or Silver. Both appear to have black surrounds.

  • sigma79sigma79

    Iv got air 3 and ipad 9. Both have headphone jack. Ipad 9 I thought were about 7 percent better dsp in aum ( before aum dsp specific update ) but sometimes its seems about 20 percent peak better. Ipad air 3 have screen issues. I bought and apple replaced. Both that and replqcement, sometimes the screen stops. Its like buying a car and you should be greatful you were given a replacement but with then same problem. Its not that bad though. It kind of does make me not want to make music. Id maybe buy another ipad 9. Air 5 or just use until when I need to buy an ipad whatever in future. With ipad 9 a sound source. If people say screen is not as good for art as its not laminate. It kind of seems nicer for drums being a bouncy screen but just as responsive with apps like mononoke or mpe, sliders, parameters.

  • sigma79sigma79

    Just buy ipad 9. 256gb. I just sold a mint ipad mini 5. Person got a good deal.

  • iamspooniamspoon

    Thanks for your input.
    Seems like a choice between an iPad 9 256GB or an iPad Air 5 64GB.
    The latest Air does have the m1 chipset but does cost a fair amount more than I wanted to spend, even with the smaller storage.

  • robosardinerobosardine

    It’s got to be the iPad 9 given those options. Is there anything that the 9 can’t do that you would want it to? 🤔 I wouldn’t let the laminated screen bother you (if that’s still a difference) - You won’t even notice it normal use.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

  • iamspooniamspoon

    Thanks for the opinions.

    https://www.dimprice.co.uk/apple-ipad-air-5th-generation-2022-m1-256gb-blue

    Another option assuming this is a trustworthy retailer.
    (iPad Air 5 for ~£600.)

    Getting a bit close for comfort with an iPad Pro but I’m trying to ignore that particular rabbit hole...

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited June 2022

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    Ah, lol. Now I see what you're getting at. :) Nah, it's my blunt opinion and suggestion, not a hard and fast rule. :lol: For me, I don't need a headphone jack since my Bluetooth headphones don't have too much latency, and I'm not live performing anything rapid or fast when I live produce Ambient. :lol: Of course a headphone jack is important to others. :)

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    Ah, lol. Now I see what you're getting at. :) Nah, it's my blunt opinion and suggestion, not a hard and fast rule. :lol: For me, I don't need a headphone jack since my Bluetooth headphones don't have too much latency, and I'm not live performing anything rapid or fast when I live produce Ambient. :lol: Of course a headphone jack is important to others. :)

    I wager I could probably handle low latency bluetooth too. What do you use?

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    Ah, lol. Now I see what you're getting at. :) Nah, it's my blunt opinion and suggestion, not a hard and fast rule. :lol: For me, I don't need a headphone jack since my Bluetooth headphones don't have too much latency, and I'm not live performing anything rapid or fast when I live produce Ambient. :lol: Of course a headphone jack is important to others. :)

    I wager I could probably handle low latency bluetooth too. What do you use?

    Beats Solo3. Loooong battery life per charge (like 35-40 hours!) Perfect for performing Ambient and slower Experimental. A little laggy for live producing faster stuff, but that's what the BPM slider was invented for. 😉

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    Ah, lol. Now I see what you're getting at. :) Nah, it's my blunt opinion and suggestion, not a hard and fast rule. :lol: For me, I don't need a headphone jack since my Bluetooth headphones don't have too much latency, and I'm not live performing anything rapid or fast when I live produce Ambient. :lol: Of course a headphone jack is important to others. :)

    I wager I could probably handle low latency bluetooth too. What do you use?

    Beats Solo3. Loooong battery life per charge (like 35-40 hours!) Perfect for performing Ambient and slower Experimental. A little laggy for live producing faster stuff, but that's what the BPM slider was invented for. 😉

    Looks like a contender. My current pair of cheapo hesh skullcandy are getting pairing issues. :/

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    Ah, lol. Now I see what you're getting at. :) Nah, it's my blunt opinion and suggestion, not a hard and fast rule. :lol: For me, I don't need a headphone jack since my Bluetooth headphones don't have too much latency, and I'm not live performing anything rapid or fast when I live produce Ambient. :lol: Of course a headphone jack is important to others. :)

    I wager I could probably handle low latency bluetooth too. What do you use?

    Beats Solo3. Loooong battery life per charge (like 35-40 hours!) Perfect for performing Ambient and slower Experimental. A little laggy for live producing faster stuff, but that's what the BPM slider was invented for. 😉

    Looks like a contender. My current pair of cheapo hesh skullcandy are getting pairing issues. :/

    Skullcandies are a yikes lol. Beats Solo3s have native connection to the iPad/iPhone. 🙂

  • sigma79sigma79

    Iphone SE. 2016.

    Mirack.

    Fabfilters.

  • u0421793u0421793

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    … “when I live produce Ambient.”

    Yeah, but he said “music”

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @u0421793 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I will be blunt. If you're not using an Apple device to make art, get the iPad 9 256gb. If you do make art, save up to get the iPad Air 5 with 256gb space and the compatible Apple Pencil. No matter which way you slice the beat, 64gb is not enough space for music production and will be eaten up really, really fast! Matter of fact, my new 12.9" iPad Pro already has over 64gb used up on it. :lol:

    And the reason I factor making art into the decision making is, the iPad 9 does NOT have a laminated screen, and so there's a gap between the glass and the display. The iPad Air 5 DOES have a laminated screen, and so where you touch the Pencil to the screen is where you make the mark. ;)

    I have used laminated and non laminated for art and find very little practical difference between the two.

    If it works for you, that's fine. The non laminated screen was a distraction for me.

    The non laminated is basically like a Cintiq, which is what most commercial digital art has been done on for years. The laminated screen seems to rank somewhere between novelty and luxury for most artists I know.

    Like I said, what works for you works for you, and what works for me works for me mate. If professional artists use a non laminated screen, kudos to them.

    Of course, of course, only reason I pressed the point a little is that your original "blunt" comment made it sound more like a rule as opposed to personal preference, like someone saying 'if you are making music you need a built in headphone jack'.

    … “when I live produce Ambient.”

    Yeah, but he said “music”

    Ambient is a genre of music.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_music

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