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Well, there is a video to come for this song, which hopefully won't kill it!
Believe it or not, I'd love to hear more from you in the vein of your version of the Svengoolie theme song. Was a real gem.
Ha! Thx. One of 2-3 times I've ever done a cover tune. I'm not sure what "vein" that is... Jazzy? Spooky/Horror-related?
Maybe this?
Very hip music.
The vocals is a beauty, very clear and pitch perfect.
I love the beat and the melody.
Very nice recording.
Thanks for sharing this.
Rene
I like this one too. 🙂
Thanks so much Rene!
There's really nothing else like the Svengoolie theme.. However, there's this, which is kinda similar (jazzy, cover tune, retro, minor key), if you haven't seen it...
Do you sell that expression slider? I didn't see a link? Oh, and yes, I like this piece of music also.
No it was just a prototype. I had to get rid of my trusty old Roland XP-80 and missed having an expression slider there. So I came up with this solution. It actually plugs into the expression pedal port on the back of the synth. You can buy something similar called the (horrendous name alert) "Old Blood Noise Endeavors Expression Slider". It works great, but the form factor wasn't a good fit for the space available on my keyboard, so I built this. I use it all the time!
Thx
Really love this track a lot! I thought you used Vocaloid at first too. I love the long intro. I read somewhere in this thread that you decided to break the "get to the chorus" rule.
Sometimes "rules" are meant to be broken. Like when many movie makers say "Show, don't tell", and yet Tarantino filled Pulp Fiction with so much interesting dialogue that actually propelled the movie forward! If the long intro is interesting, there's no real reason to rush to the chorus (unless you're entering some songwriting competition).
Maybe one of these days, I can hire you to do vocals on an EDM pop track that I write (or maybe you and I can co-write). Right now, however, I am in one of my Ambient eras of composition.
Bottom line - an amazing song you made.
Can't wait to hear what's next.
Thanks! I've given up trying to explain that perception. All I can say is, if there were a plugin that could produce such realistic sounding human vocals, I would buy it!
Yeah, like a whole minute before the vocals come in (which are actually the verse; even longer to get to the chorus!). But actually since it was originally an instrumental, for years before it had words, it does get to the chords of the chorus almost immediately. So I didn't really "decide" anything. It was just how the song evolved. I'll admit however, once it did have vocals, I did shave a few bars off the layering buildup at the beginning to get to them sooner.
I was trying to think of other songs that have long introductions before the vocals come it. Pink Floyd famously (e.g., 1.5 minutes for Wish You Were Here). Perhaps the most extreme example I could find... Papa Was A Rolling Stone is over two minutes before the vocals come it! What other songs have long introductions and yet still became hits?
Ha! Thanks! Whatever it is, it will be something completely different.
Just WOW! I listenend to your track today, I had it pending but the time for it was now. Tomorrow I will have one of the most intense and weird days of my life. Your master piece came to me on the exact right time.
“We won’t go back, we won’t back down”
Thank you Babz.
11 months ago you replied to my first IOS track, so I checked out your music and I told you: “you have the entire musical nirvana inside of you”
After seeing your moms painting, no doubt in my mind that things are connected. Throughout non linear time.
I love to read that your track has been a project over many years. I understand and admire the motivation you received through your moms creative action to get things going again.
About the track itself:
I first checked the length before listening, it’s 4m +, in my terms a great musical standard timespan I can hardly manage myself to stay within. But the composition as previously mentioned, long intro, where is the chorus etc. Whatever you want to put into an order: your track sounds far longer than 4m +
This is where things get exciting and I simply love it. Being somewhere where you have fun and realize that only 4min have passed while you can not grasp that one entire mental 12m (give or take) fit into one third of the actual time.
Great sounds, wonderful vocals, drums so nearby, unicum. I’m totally certain your next track will be something different as you already mentioned. When all is yours, you can handle whatever at whatever time: so go for it and never go back!
My aim is typically no longer than 3 minutes, but I can never seem to stick to that (!) and usually end up somewhere just over 4 min. This one would actually hit the 3-min-ish goal, if you shave off the 1 min. intro.
Ha! That's an interesting concept, the "mental length" of a song. (And I'm not sure 12 minutes "mental length" is a good thing!
) This leads me to think about the history of pop song length. It's amazing to think that most of the Beatles hits of the early 60s (arguably the gold standard of pop music for any songwriter) are just over 2 minutes. Then in the 70s classic rock era things stretched out and you get like the 8 minute "album cut", many of which have lengthy introductions (e.g., Stairway To Heaven) and sometimes the long intro is one of the coolest parts of the song (e.g., Locomotive Breath, Baba O'Riley). And a song like Bohemian Rhapsody could still become a hit despite "breaking all the rules." Then came the 80s and dance club era, house, etc., where things could just go on and on in a morphing endless groove/mix.
In each case the method of delivery shifted, from AM radio in the 60s, to FM radio in the 70s, to the club in the late 70s/early 80s. Now, of course, it's the Internet, which throws all the rules out the window. No radio station or record label rules to conform to, but at the same time you're competing with an infinity of distractions. So you're free to like DAW-lessly jam over a 1-bar loop while slowly opening a filter for two and half minutes -- you've lost me in the first 15 seconds, but you're free to do it, and a lot people do! That guy is everywhere out there nowadays it seems!
For my part, I feel that you're a lucky if you've managed to hold people's attention on the Internet for 2 minutes, and 3 minutes is pushing it, so you better make the most of it!
This leads me to think of another concept. Besides the "mental length" factor, there is the -- call it -- "repeat listen" factor. After you've heard it, do you feel like hearing it again? This is probably the greatest hurdle facing the songwriter in any era (but maybe even harder than ever in the present).
As a prototypical example, I'm reminded of the first time I ever heard a certain classic rock hit song. It was the 70s, and I knocked on someone's door (yes, it was to pick up some weed -- did I mention it was the 70s!) and just as I enter the apartment I hear someone say, "Play it again." They pick up the needle and start the record over again, and this is the first time I hear the song "Sweet Home Alabama". We proceeded to do that over and over. Didn't matter what the song was about, didn't matter that it was only three chords, you just couldn't hear it enough times, and you never got sick of it! The most basic of songs, but so masterfully crafted! And there are so many classic songs from that era that we must have heard a zillion times by now and yet they still hold up! I don't know why it's so hard to pull that off these days, but that magical balance of something that is simple and accessible and yet holds up with repeated listen is a key ingredient that is often elusive.
Of course, I don't think about any of this when composing. I just write what I feel. But it's interesting to think about later outside the process.
This thread is an amazing “liner notes” to a wonderful track. Thank you, Lady App for both!
I sometimes challenge myself to create an entire song with 15, 30 or 60 second total play time limit just to see if I can fit in enough musical elements and a hook which still tell a musical story in as little time as possible. The vast majority of my songs are in the 3-4 minute range, but I’ve also occasionally taken on the challenge of trying to tell a slightly fuller story in a 6-7 minute time span. It’s a really interesting way to approach a piece (at least for me).
Great groove, Definitely no hints of Huggy in this one. I do get a sense of Auto-Tune a la Cher, fair play with no auto tune involved.
I've done everything from under a minute to over 9 minutes. I think the main thing is just to do what is required, what serves the piece. But the rule I try to follow is "no longer than it needs to be."
Ha! Thx! My best explanation for that at this point is just that it's a very synthy melody. Also the words are somewhat comical and satirical, so maybe I was trying to impart a certain attitude. (Or app-titude!) I almost feel like creating a version with vocoder so people could hear how that actually sounds. It's much more extreme and artificial sounding.
I think I have an inkling of why I initially got the impression a vocoder was used. The frequency range on the vocal tracks are close to some of the supporting synth work, so it almost seems as if there is a blend of the two. I'm not saying that's a negative. I think it works great for the piece.
Still in love with this track. Repeated listens this week.
Thank you for explaining even further how you made 'We won't go back' and generally your input on your own thread, not every artist wants to explain the ins and outs.
I'd say this track is akin to Chairlift and Caroline Polachek in repeated listening. On my playlist every week
This may be the closest I ever came to achieving a perfect 1 Minute of Zen.
https://chirb.it/MBcftK
I do have hopes of someday expanding this into a full song.
Thanks so much, @dasgoods !
Same here. My voice is okay for maybe singing in a church choir, but probably not for Pop/EDM music though goodness knows I tried.
I wish Vocaloid or something similar would find its way to the iPad. (There are some plugins that can do robotic voices, and I know Multitrack Studio has a wicked autotune effect in it.)
True.
But it works, and that's what counts. 
Trying to think. Certainly not anything released by the "big labels" these days.
Modern songs (at least the ones that win competitions) keep becoming more and more simplistic as the years roll on.
Always looking forward to it.
I listen to a lot of the songs in the "Creations" section but don't often leave a comment. I should be more active here to be honest, lol.
Nice. Gotta tell you, I like that "Black Friday Etude" on your page also.
Thanks! When I used to write for magazines, I would have to create short little soundclips to accompany the reviews. I kinda developed an appreciation for the 1-minute demo as a form. :-)
A couple of examples:
Then again, every once in a while I would go overboard and create some 7-minute monster demo, causing my editors to freak!
Love all those. Working within some very strict limitations (whether that be instrumentation, deadlines or song length) can be a very rewarding experience. One never knows their true capabilities until they are tested and suddenly find all new ways of approaching a challenge.
Thx! One of the toughest limitations was having to create a track using just one piece of gear, like the third one, where every sound comes from a single Roland keyboard.
Yes, I did notice the Roland "R" logo.
Must've been a pretty fun job.
Those 1 minutes demos are great… So much packed into a short time it’s hard to believe they are only 60 seconds or so 👌
FYI.. I just uploaded this nifty new trailer. (Mostly because I wanted to practice certain video techniques.
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Full video coming soon!