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I'm going to catch up tonight after supper, but after I watched Dean's videos on an all-day binge, I made my first MiRack patch and recorded a successful drone in AUM!!!
Congrats, @jwmmakerofmusic! Enjoy the journey!
Thanks mate. Here's the final result in its own thread.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50625/jwm-first-mirack-experiment#latest
As I said, I spent literally the whole day binging on Dean's videos about MiRack and a couple of Omri's videos as well and then created a simple-but-effective drone patch. I'll catch up with the rest of the recent replies tonight!
Right now, I'm going to take a much-needed rest.
Dean has always been a great teacher. Explains everything clearly, step by step.
I reckon you’re going to develop and master modular drones very quickly, mate. ✋😃
Be careful what you wish for, @jwmmakerofmusic : I started out with Mirack, and now it’s this:
So I do a little Modular now and then. Addicted? No, no no. I can handle it…
*Full disclosure: still haven’t got an *@! clue what I am doing, btw. Every new patch an adventure
I think the conversation re East Coast/West Coast is revealing though, as is your interest (which I share, obvs) in ambient. I equate ‘West Coast’ with an experimental state of mind, where generative evolving pieces involving no keyboards frantic techno drums or rigid (or at least obvious) sequencers, and unusual sonic textures are the whole point. As a dedicated non musician, this is both a more fulfilling route for me - and perhaps a convenient excuse, obvs
Making a music-creating automatic machine? Noodle-tastic!
To this end, I am fumbling my way toward a physical set up which is away from ‘instruments’ and ‘keyboards’, DAWs and computers, and toward real time manipulation of sounds which would be difficult to recreate in any other way, even on IPad. So this has meant the Make Noise Tape & Sound Micro machine, MusicThingModulars’ Radio Music long form audio sampler, a Bitbox Micro sampler, the Koma Electronic electroacoustic workstation module (fun with DC motors, electro magnetic interference etc)…
I am enjoying your progression into ambient, as a fellow traveller in sonic worlds beyond the well crafted pop song, and will await developments with interest. So: maybe you need just a little hardware rack to, y’know, get to feel the vibe? The first taste is (almost) free…
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
Now I see. That's actually pretty interesting.
@dendy
I didn't know Deadmau5 did that. That's pretty interesting. 😃 I bet I could replicate that kind of workflow with MiRack in AUM. I can't imagine doing that in NS2 given there aren't any audio tracks.
@Zhuangzi
Steevio's music reminds me a lot of Minimal Techno if it isn't Minimal Techno! 😲 Very much like what Richie Hawtin does, if not exactly! Oh! 😳 Ooooooh! 😈 This might get me back into producing Minimal Techno!
Also, now I have more of an idea of what those east coast/west coast terminologies mean. And according to @espiegel123 , the terms originated very recently.
But in the end, now that I know what the terms mean, it really seems to me that the terms really don't mean a hill of beans.
I'm probably going to use a hybrid of the two methodologies.
@espiegel123
Some really excellent advice. I did recently complete my first drone experiment in MiRack and recorded it with AUM. It was a super simple drone, but serviceable and not horrible, lol. I plan to keep easing myself into more and more complexity with each patch I make.
I'm also going to sift through Youtube to find out more about clocks, gates, dividers, and step sequencers. If I'm to produce Minimal Techno again someday, and this time live on MiRack, I for sure want to understand these things first and foremost.
It does seem learning one module at a time is key to all of this. Not only reading the manual, but playing with the output (into a limiter to protect ears, speakers, etc as Dean says).
@bygjohn
I'll check out Omri's series on Mutable modules soon. I did binge Dean's videos yesterday and managed to crap out a serviceable drone from MiRack, lol.
If there's one thing staving off GAS for me regarding hardware, it's the small size of my flat.
It isn't cramped by any means in here, but let's just say I've no room for hardware right now. Perhaps that's a blessing in disguise, even though that Mavis looks amazing. 
LOL! Hence why Dean always says to use a limiter. I'm using the BogAudio one he uses. Anyways, if you can find the exact channel that uses meditative generative patches, I'm curious to see his videos. I'll look up Simone Salvatici in the meantime.
@Fingolfinzz
Thanks mate.
I'm enjoying the journey thus far.
@Spidericemidas
He is a fantastic teacher. I wish he had even more videos about MiRack released to be honest. I binged them yesterday. Dean's one helluva great teacher. I wonder, does Dean ever frequent this forum and I don't know it?
@Svetlovska
Well, as I mentioned above to @bygjohn , I live in a relatively small flat. If I had room for those beautiful pieces of hardware, I'd definitely buy the one Richie Hawtin uses.
Actually, I may consider buying a Bluetooth hardware controller with a lot of knobs somewhere along the way just for that tactile feeling of controlling hardware without actually buying hardware.
I don't know just yet. 
But I love the idea of moving away from "instruments" and "keyboards", DAWs, etc. Again, Richie Hawtin does it like that, and so to me that's what counts.
I'll be checking the videos over breakfast.
Cheers mates.
@jwmmakerofmusic Dean’s handle here is @Junebug but I’ve never seen him comment or post anything here, ever!
Yeah I wish he had done more in the miRack series, but it very swiftly seduced and convinced him into moving onto Eurorack hardware, and now one half of his studio looks more like the interior of the space shuttle or the deck of the Enterprise! Have you seen his Eurorack setup?! Omg 😲🤪
@jwmmakerofmusic : quick follow up on the ‘one module at a time’ thing. This guy (despite his slightly, er, smug, delivery) is very useful at breaking things down on a per-module basis. I’ve learnt a lot from his vids:
There are videos and forum posts where Steevio talks about his approach if you're interested. His main interest is polyrhythm, and so he's built a system that allows him to basically explore and improvise around that.
I’ve been doing my homework, and yes, that little Mutable rack is based on Simone Salvatici's small case used in a few videos on his channel.
Here’s one:
Consists of Marbles, Rings, Plaits, Tides (v2, I assume), uBurst (Clouds clone, so I used Clouds), and a little mixer (I used a Mix 8, though a Mix 4 would be closer to his setup). And I’ve added that Bogaudio limiter just in case (it’s in all my patches).
As for space, I’m not awash with it, which was another contributing factor to me going the Moog route: they’re very compact in their rack, and fit on my desk, which is narrow front to back. You can see it in this video:
The thought occurred that you might find Salvatici's stuff a bit sparse if drones are your thing, so I’ve recorded a snippet of one of mine based on that rack just as an example:
Many times has my finger hovered over the 'buy' button.
I think I can rationalise the purchase even just as simple one-unit effects (Same rationale for Drambo), so it takes the pressure off becoming an expert. But I'm still not quite there yet. Watching another noob's journey might help me 'get there'
Honestly its worth it just for the reverbs.
Yeah...Seems crazy not to, really. I actually held off buying an LFO the other day. Just thought it would make more sense to use MiRack as a MIDI generator
Nice!
Thanks!
Wow, I definitely have a lot to catch up on.
I'll do so tomorrow after a good night's rest. Cheers mates.
I've started to fiddle around a little bit with modular on MacOS but are totally new. Anyway, I thought I'd mention Cardinal which is a VCV plugin version for desktop. I run it in Reason+ and it seem fine although my reference for that is none. One thing I read, and another reason I mention it is, you can import MiRack projects (not the other way though). (if Cardinal already been mentioned through this thread I apologise - lots of text ..
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Does MiRack come with built-in patches and tutorials? Thinking of buying it and taking it out to the park with me. But I won't have any internet access to watch videos etc. If it comes with some basic walkthrough stuff, that'd be ideal.
Thanks
EDIT: Just found this. Looks like a good starting-point. Not sure if the modules match up in all cases, but the core principles should be similar, no?
https://lushprojects.com/blog/wp-content/VCV-workshop.pdf
@el_bo Not much built into miRack as far as I know, although I haven’t updated it for over a year, so I could be wrong.
I believe most of the modules do have a little pop-up window which offer some explanation of the modules.
If you want to work on it outside of internet access, your best bet is to do some homework on it first and watch a few tutorials online.
For the tiny price, it’s totally worth pulling the trigger. There’s literally tens of thousands of pounds worth of hardware equivalent in it! Crazy good!
@el_bo : That PDF looks like a solid off-line tutorial to get you up and running. You’ll find equivalents for all those modules in miRack as a start. The module browser can be a bit intimidating, as there are a lot of modules to choose from, but the “Essential” group right at the top of the list has most of what you need. Choose a “Generator” project from template — audio outs only — then add a VCO from the Essential group to get started with the tutorial. Easy!
If you pull down on the module browser, a Search box will pop up to making finding stuff, like “Scope”, easier. Enjoy!
Thanks! I did just buy it, so I managed to answer my own question about in-app tutorials
Had a quick explore of the patches before I leave, and have saved the PDF to my iPad. Just need to find a nice shady spot.
The only slight initial worry is that it needs so much zooming (Eyes not the best, currently), that I'm losing perspective of the wider picture. I suppose the more familiar I get with what's going on, that greater structure will be easier to conceptualise, even if I've only got one module zoomed on-screen.
Good to know that the document offers a great place to start, and that the modules should be compatible (I'm pretty sure not all of them made the fork, right?)
Also, thanks for the extra tips. Should mitigate some of the inevitable overwhelm
Wish me luck!
Good luck! And on the zooming issue, I find the Apple Pencil comes in handy for manipulating stuff when zoomed out further than you need to be with a finger, so cuts down on zooming in and out. If you don’t have a Pencil, or your iPad doesn’t support it, might be worth having a look for an alternative stylus with a pointier tip than many have.
Thanks!
The zoom is really more an eyesight thing. And actually at those levels finger-control seemed fine. That said, I currently have my iPencil charging
237 patches here:
https://patchstorage.com/platform/mirack/
Here’s an online Modular glossary
https://learningmodular.com/glossary/
other than that connect things to things and listen to what happens
if you don’t like what it sounds like try something else and as it’s virtual
there isn’t going to be the smell of burnt out power supplies
or hardware if you connect something the “wrong” way.
Thanks! Did pull the trigger. And yes, it does come with a few example patches. A nice little selection, without any feeling of overwhelm
I will start to slowly build up knowledge while online. But I'm really trying to carve out a time in the day where i leave the house and stay completely offline. It's not tended to work out completely as planned, thus far...but I'm managing to grab at my phone much less.
As to the idea of value and price? Well, having mucked around briefly with the Plateau/Valley reverb, I can say that that alone is worth the cost-of-entry. So all's good. This is actually the same basis on which I'll eventually buy Drambo i.e The relatively-small investment will be satisfied off the back of a couple of very useful patches (I seem to remember a really cool-sounding resonance-bank/drone-maker, for starters), and I won't need to feel pressure to learn yet another (two) entirely new environments. Not that I won't, but...well, you get what I mean?
Thanks! I'm aware of those. But I was hoping that there'd be some simple included patches (and there are), that I could use to get used to navigating the interface etc.
Besides, I know myself. If I'm not careful, I'll end up downloading all 237, fuelled by a fear of FOMO and a tendency to hoard. Normally that leads to being overwhelmed and just not using any of it (at least, not to any depth). So, gonna try and be a little more judicious
But if you or anyone else has any suggestions for must-haves (Maybe a top-5), I'm all-ears
Download the sequencer I made using Mirack: https://patchstorage.com/aviary/ Use it as a midi fx in AUM to drive other synths, some recommendations included in the description.
yes, miRack in AUM is ideal configuration for this ..