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JWM - Dystopian Despair
Okay, so I think the reason people aren't commenting on my recent pieces here is they probably don't want to slog through a full blown essay. 😂 But if the lengthy explanation is your thing, it'll be in the SoundCloud description.
I've returned to the stranger side of Ambient with this piece. It's directly inspired by David Lynch's masterful works. Featuring the usage of SampleWiz 2, Woott, DAW Cassette, the 12-tone scale, and no Gauss lol. Cheers and enjoy.
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Sweet! I like stuff like this. Great visuals (in my head of course) happening. I don’t frequent the creation part of this forum as much as I should. I kinda get lost down rabbit holes and lose a lot of time. Also I already listen to so much other stuff that I wish there was more time…
Works well as a background atmosphere. Certainly has got that Lynchian ‘big machines occasionally clanging distantly in a post apocalyptic Pittsburgh’ vibe.
As a very needy poster and not infrequent visitor to ‘wot? No comments?’ Land myself (!), I also get that it is disappointing when you put something out there and get only tumbleweed! 
I guess we traders in dark ambience, with a tendency to minimal or non existent ‘tunes’ as such, are always dancing on the razors’ edge of there not actually being much ‘there’ there, for people to actually comment on. It is after all a niche within a niche genre, I find it hard to imagine even the very best of this music offers much of a living to its’ finest proponents. Finding an appreciative and vocal audience is never going to be easy.
I do think the stuff I like best in this field, which I can only hope to aspire to, the likes of Kammerheit, Allseits, Northaunt, Aun, Atrium Carceri, and so on, though, all manage a kind of epic, slow evolving, doomed grandeur that I find deeply emotional and moving. Mental images of moving through vast, abandoned spaces! A sense of immanence, some off stage but awe-inspiring thing always on the cusp of becoming… Oblique, evocative… I frequently break my own rules (and call it Witch House when I do) because proper DA as far as I am concerned tends to be defined by what it doesn’t have: no explicit drums beyond minimal pulses; no discernible vocals… (although frequently featuring the ghosts of both)…
It is a stern discipline, conjuring from such meagre alchemicals the gripping fear/awe/fascination trifecta that Lovecraft captures so well in those scenes where his investigators and sundry ill equipped, doomed naïfs nevertheless feel compelled to keep walking down that descending passage toward the eldritch purple light and the chanting…
Here’s one of my favourite examples of what I mean:
https://tidal.com/track/63245258
(from an album which works well as an intro to the genre for anyone interested, btw:
https://tidal.com/album/63245257)
Here’s a whole, massive, playlist of the stuff:
https://tidal.com/playlist/d11610b8-d4d6-498d-8bdb-193fd1ef1615
In my non musician way I try to study what makes the best of this stuff work, and I think it comes down to that sense of movement and evolution through the piece, that tension between a potentially static atmosphere, more sound effect than music, and dynamic elements which move things onto another level.
If I was getting (even more) pretentious about it, I’d probably say something here about ‘figure’ and ‘ground’, elements moving in and out of focus, the frustration and joy of trying to execute that dance on the razors edge with grace, to avoid the temptation toward stasis and mere static. I find it a constant test in my own stuff, limited as it is by my own lack of musical competence, and consequently a test which I rarely succeed in, but constantly aspire to. But the quest, eh? The quest… Come on, let’s see what’s making the moaning sound, behind that false wall in the study. I just have to know…
Svetlovska has a much better way with words than I, but I wholeheartedly agree! I like and experience what I like, and I don’t know why… music and soundscapes are an emotional journey for me, and they add paint to what I’m going through at any given time. As with most music I enjoy, but with ambient/experimental, I don’t get caught up on the subconscious thought and get to dream..
I don’t know anyone irl that can stand listening to what I like to listen to most of the time anyway so it makes it very personal and secret to me. (My username isbased off of the flaming lips experimental 4cd album called zaireeka after all.) Keep making the stuff U like, and keep inspiring jwm.
So well said svetlovska
I'm the same way. I need to visit Creations more often! Tomorrow is a completely open day (save for Facetiming a friend), so I'm going to set aside a couple hours just for music listening!
By the way I'm glad you dig my piece mate!
Exactly! When I was inspired to make "Dreams of Eno Pt 2", part of what motivated me to make it was "Well, this is less of an alien-sounding piece. Maybe this will finally garner comments," only to initially end up with fuckall. Then Wag commented, and then Cuezaireekaa commented, so that made me feel okay. But in the back of my mind, I kept thinking "What am I doing wrong? This sounds a little like Music For Airports ffs", especially since my first experiments with live producing Ambient in May and June garnered many comments.
That's true when it comes to posting stuff on Facebook for friends and family to try and listen to (aka folks who aren't used to/thirst for listening to these niche genres). However, usually these niche genres are more appreciated by fellow musicians such as here. And I felt like "this is where my audience is". Being compared to David Lynch was a huge dopamine hit, lol. Then...silence. Nothing but radio static (although, radio static would make for some great textures).
That's the kind of feeling I want to achieve! Not gonna lie, there are a couple of artists here I've never heard of, but I'm definitely going to give these all a listen! Epic, slow evolving, doomed grandeur. Mate, you're speaking my language here.
The ghosts of those vocals always tell me "your arse is too fat" though, which is why I joined a gym to exorcise them. 😭 🤣 Kidding about the first part.
...I need to lose weight. 😂
Rules are meant to be broken though. So many of the giants whose shoulders I stand on wouldn't be the greats without saying "who gives a shit about 'the rules'". Schoenberg, Schaeffer, Stockhausen, Cage, Captain Beefheart, David Lynch, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin, @Hainbach ...were/are innovators of music I can name off the top of my head!
Man, I need to come up with a beautiful way with words like you to invent myself some prompts for creating my art music.
The way you described that is just...pure chef's kiss.
Unfortunately I don't have Tidal. I'm...a Spotify user. 🫢 I could only hear like the first 30 seconds. But what I heard was intriguing and inspiring to say the least!
Precisely! It's all about slow evolution, tension and release, etc.
And, you, a non-musician mate? Seems to me you have the musician's soul.
I have to know too mate!
I must know what makes those sounds! And, if you can create a noise, you're a musician. It's great to know the basics of classical Western music theory upon which most music is derived, but at the end of the day, all you're going to make is tonal music that sounds pleasing to the common ear. 
While that's not a bad thing at all, especially since "Music For Airports" is tonal and pleasing to the common ear (a bit like a "beginner's introduction to Ambient"), these days I'm more into exploring aural textures, liminal spaces, and just "existing" within the sonic worlds I craft, whether for 6 minutes, or 60 minutes. Nothing is currently more satisfying to my needs than that.
Better than me too. Svet is so poetic that those words can unlock parts of my brain's right hemisphere I didn't know existed before.
Exactly! When I live produce Ambient, sometimes I must refrain from closing my eyes and try not to get too lost in a daydream as I still have my responsibility to finish my piece. 😅 But, once I'm finished performing the piece and normalise it to -3dB, the joy is I get to listen back to what I just made. I've actually fallen asleep during a couple of these listens and have napped, only to wake up with my headphones still on and say "Damn, that was a good trip."
I THOUGHT your username sounded familiar. 😅 And most people I know irl don't care for the more atonal, textural stuff I produce. They mostly like the tonal stuff, which is why when I posted "Dreams of Eno Pt 2" to Facebook, it garnered a LOT of attention. I think "Dystopian Despair" would make many of my Facebook friends go "Huh? Whachu on about?"
Thanks mate. 🥹 Your kind words mean a lot.
Hear hear! 👏
Well, today's sound of the day on Freesound.org is this...
https://freesound.org/people/SkibkaMusic/sounds/541768/
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...LET'S MANGLE IT! 😈
EDIT: Got my found sounds (three from Freesound, and one of me saying something highly inappropriate).
The metal pot will be used in Samplewiz 2 and driven by some sort of generative MIDI sequencer, but which one? Let's see where this piece takes me! 😃
No essay required, I agree with cuezaireeka, we need more time.
This as another cool atmospheric production.
Thanks for this recording.
Rene
@jwmmakerofmusic : try this Spotify link to the same album This sampler album of DA artists is what first got me into the genre, and into making my noises in the first place, after years of being thwarted because I couldn’t, and indeed can’t, write yer actual songs:
https://open.spotify.com/album/6aPaiQi44SS1IPE6bU5dLp?si=1aogw6MQSvCGzSvJdjOVvQ
Of course mate! 😊 Thank you for the kind words!
And okay, if more time is needed now I understand better.
Gonna give this a listen tonight after my gig!