Headphones with a genuinely good quality inline mic?

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@richardyot said:

@Gavinski said:

@richardyot said:
There are professional broadcast-quality headsets available from Sennheiser and Audio Technica, but these will require an interface because they use XLR connections. Even then the quality of their microphones is only OK, they're nowhere near a decent condenser mic for example.

The range of USB microphones is pretty limited, so it might be tricky to find something that fulfils all your requirements.

It sounds like you've considered lavalier mics, were they not suitable? For example something like this:

https://en-uk.sennheiser.com/xs-lav-usb-c

From what i gathered from the thread on that, and also from talking to a few sellers - albeit ones who didn't seem informed - if i got one of those lavalier mics and plugged my headphones into it, i would only be able to monitor my own voice, not - for example - AUM output. Is that wrong foe the model you recommended? If i connected headphones to it, would the mic appear as an input in AUM and the headphones appear as an output (again, i mean plugging the headphones into the mic, not using any audio interface etc)?

I see, I guess that's the problem with not having a headphone jack on the device, monitoring a USB mic becomes impossible unless there is a socket on the mic itself, and in the case of lavaliers that isn't very likely.

The apogee clipmic 2 has a 3.5mm socket on the mic itself to attach a headphone to. The question that was in doubt on the thread was whether that would only allow monitoring of the mic, or allow monitoring of both mic sound and internal sound. Ie in AUM would i get the mic as input source, and the headphones i attached to it as output source? This was in doubt both on the other thread, and from the (somewhat uninformed) sellers i talked to

Did you ever contact Apogee support?

Thanks Ed, i did and they were very helpful but told me it wouldn't be possible. Their cheapest model this would be doable with is the hype mic which i think is overkill for me and is not clip on either.

Is it possible that they misunderstood you? Their website sure makes it seem like you would be hearing the iPad’s output .

Guy had the clipmic 2 in front of him and actually said it didnt even have a mic input.... So the whole thing was very confusing indeed because i eas sure i remembered from a youtube video that it did

Wow. That seems so strange to have a lightning or usb microphone especially for iOS with no monitoring capability.

Indeed 😂

Gavinski

I looked again carefully at the website tho, and indeed didn't see any mention of being able to attach a mic. You can with that Rode Wireless Go 2 which was mentioned in the other thread, but Luke specifically said that you could ONLY monitor the mic itself.... What a crock of shit. And once again just makes me hate apple for dropping the headphone jack.

Also, in defense of the Clipmic, it was built for lightning iOS devices - which all have a headphone jack 🤷‍♂️

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:
I looked again carefully at the website tho, and indeed didn't see any mention of being able to attach a mic. You can with that Rode Wireless Go 2 which was mentioned in the other thread, but Luke specifically said that you could ONLY monitor the mic itself.... What a crock of shit. And once again just makes me hate apple for dropping the headphone jack.

Also, in defense of the Clipmic, it was built for lightning iOS devices - which all have a headphone jack 🤷‍♂️

Lightning iOS devices do NOT all have headphone jacks. The iPhone 6, I believe was the last one that did. My iPhone (XS) most definitely is lightning equipped and does not have a headphone jack.

Samu

Another option would be iRig Mic HD2 which has a headphone jack.
And use a Micro USB to USB-C cable for connection to the iPad.
(No clue on how powerful the headphone amp is in practice though but it worked ok with the MDR-7506’s last time I had a had access to one).

Røde has the Small USB mic that also works as an audio interface.

Sennheiser has a couple of USB headsets…

If the recording enviroment is good the built-in mics on the iPad Pro’s do an amazing job with a little bit of help from Brusfri.

moher

If someone already mentioned this one I apologize. The IK lultimedia Irig Mic Lav has a jack input so you can monitor yourself while recording.
As its name emply it s a lavalier mic.
It has a jack connection but wiith a usb c to jack dongle i guess it should work.
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmiclav/?L=ES

el_bo

@Gavinski said:
Or the Apogee One

Was going to suggest this.

I have one (The iPad/MacOS model), but have yet to try it with my iPad.

One thing to keep in mind, whichever way you go, is that semi or open cans could cause too much leakage when using a microphone

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:
I looked again carefully at the website tho, and indeed didn't see any mention of being able to attach a mic. You can with that Rode Wireless Go 2 which was mentioned in the other thread, but Luke specifically said that you could ONLY monitor the mic itself.... What a crock of shit. And once again just makes me hate apple for dropping the headphone jack.

Also, in defense of the Clipmic, it was built for lightning iOS devices - which all have a headphone jack 🤷‍♂️

Lightning iOS devices do NOT all have headphone jacks. The iPhone 6, I believe was the last one that did. My iPhone (XS) most definitely is lightning equipped and does not have a headphone jack.

Ah, I stand corrected!

Gavinski

@Samu said:
Another option would be iRig Mic HD2 which has a headphone jack.
And use a Micro USB to USB-C cable for connection to the iPad.
(No clue on how powerful the headphone amp is in practice though but it worked ok with the MDR-7506’s last time I had a had access to one).

Røde has the Small USB mic that also works as an audio interface.

Sennheiser has a couple of USB headsets…

If the recording enviroment is good the built-in mics on the iPad Pro’s do an amazing job with a little bit of help from Brusfri.

That Rode mic apparently does not monitor anything other than your voice as mentioned above, and directly by an owner in the recent thread i started on clip on mics. Might be worth revisiting the internal ipad mic i guess, with a bit of compression etc

Gavinski

@el_bo said:

@Gavinski said:
Or the Apogee One

Was going to suggest this.

I have one (The iPad/MacOS model), but have yet to try it with my iPad.

One thing to keep in mind, whichever way you go, is that semi or open cans could cause too much leakage when using a microphone

Only if u are monitoring very loud, which I don't do when making a vid. I never found it a problem with my old setup

Gavinski

@moher said:
If someone already mentioned this one I apologize. The IK lultimedia Irig Mic Lav has a jack input so you can monitor yourself while recording.
As its name emply it s a lavalier mic.
It has a jack connection but wiith a usb c to jack dongle i guess it should work.
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmiclav/?L=ES

Do u know offhand though whether it monitors only mic input or does the ipad treat it as an external audio interface and allow you to monitor ipad audio? I had taken it as a given that these things would all work that way, but after hearing about the Rode Go 2 not doing so, had to drop that assumption. Will go look it up now though, cheers

Gavinski

@Gavinski said:

@moher said:
If someone already mentioned this one I apologize. The IK lultimedia Irig Mic Lav has a jack input so you can monitor yourself while recording.
As its name emply it s a lavalier mic.
It has a jack connection but wiith a usb c to jack dongle i guess it should work.
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmiclav/?L=ES

Do u know offhand though whether it monitors only mic input or does the ipad treat it as an external audio interface and allow you to monitor ipad audio? I had taken it as a given that these things would all work that way, but after hearing about the Rode Go 2 not doing so, had to drop that assumption. Will go look it up now though, cheers

Doubt it does - doesn't specify that it doesn't on the site but it does say 'Combo 1/8" TRRS port can be used for headphone monitoring'

Samu

@Gavinski said:

That Rode mic apparently does not monitor anything other than your voice as mentioned above, and directly by an owner in the recent thread i started on clip on mics. Might be worth revisiting the internal ipad mic i guess, with a bit of compression etc

I've heard the opposite since the Rhode Mic (NT-USB Mini) can be selected as an output on the Mac.

Gavinski

@Samu said:

@Gavinski said:

That Rode mic apparently does not monitor anything other than your voice as mentioned above, and directly by an owner in the recent thread i started on clip on mics. Might be worth revisiting the internal ipad mic i guess, with a bit of compression etc

I've heard the opposite since the Rhode Mic (NT-USB Mini) can be selected as an output on the Mac.

Are we talking about the same mic tho?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WirelessGO2Sg--rode-wireless-go-ii-single-channel-wireless-microphone-system?mrkgadid=1000000&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gdsa&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=livesound&lighting&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=39700065013198141&lid=39700065013198141&ds_s_kwgid=58700007229425429&device=m&network=g&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9033187&creative=537361853724&targetid=aud-971328289599:dsa-1385849851130&campaignid=6730319011&awsearchcpc=1&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjw2rmWBhB4EiwAiJ0mtcsFMOZg0s7HEo2jMKppYkJ9943IEgxEixUFepKarBPPrUQ5QY8F7RoC3aYQAvD_BwE

Gavinski

Here is the earlier thread
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50954/clip-on-mic-for-youtube-voiceover

And here is a quote from @lukesleepwalker 'did try the Go 2 receiver using an Apple dongle into a lightning connector. It does work, which is cool I guess. But it still doesn't monitor AUM channels back out to the receiver. No go!'

Samu

@Gavinski said:
Here is the earlier thread
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50954/clip-on-mic-for-youtube-voiceover

And here is a quote from @lukesleepwalker 'did try the Go 2 receiver using an Apple dongle into a lightning connector. It does work, which is cool I guess. But it still doesn't monitor AUM channels back out to the receiver. No go!'

It could be like the SoundCraft Mixers that mute the volume when connected...
...so up the iOS volume after connecting.

Gavinski

@Samu said:

@Gavinski said:
Here is the earlier thread
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50954/clip-on-mic-for-youtube-voiceover

And here is a quote from @lukesleepwalker 'did try the Go 2 receiver using an Apple dongle into a lightning connector. It does work, which is cool I guess. But it still doesn't monitor AUM channels back out to the receiver. No go!'

It could be like the SoundCraft Mixers that mute the volume when connected...
...so up the iOS volume after connecting.

Yeah I've contacted Rode for clarification, let's see if / when they get back to me 👍

Samu

@Gavinski said:

Yeah I've contacted Rode for clarification, let's see if / when they get back to me 👍

I know that NT-USB Mini works as a 'audio interface'. ie. the computer can also play back audio thru the 3.5mm jack on it.

seonnthaproducer

There may be an easier solution, Gavinski.

1. The first thing I did was combine Apple's USB-C to Headphone jack dongle with Samsung's 3.5mm AKG headphones (which are honestly fantastic). Total cost, $20 CAD

These are my quick, mobile setup and I really like the convenience of plug and play. I tried using the Samsung AKG headphones to USB-C but those didn't work, sadly. So, be sure to get the 3.5mm AKG earphones from a Samsung store - $10, and the USB-C to Headphone Jack adapter from Apple - $10

2. But if you're doing dedicated YouTube videos, I still recommend having a clip on Lavalier microphone. There are some great quality lavalier mics for $20 - $50 on Amazon. Of course, you could get something like the Rode VideoMic, but that's definitely overkill.

To use that with the iPad Pro, you'll need a special USB-C dongle. I found this one from Cubilux

You could still use the AKG headphones in the headphone jack slot. I honestly recommend getting 2-3 of them. I think they're well worth it (and I'm legitimately surprised Samsung bought AKG, and now they're no longer using their technology).

Hope this helps
#SEONN

Edit: Yeah, I was checking for the Sennheiser Ambeo, but that seems like overkill. I like Sennheiser's products but that seems like too much of a hassle for "binaural audio".

Also, the great part about this is that you're in China. They actually manufacture all these products there. Reach out to a local mobile phone technician in the area and they'll give you solid recommendations at a really low cost.

Gavinski

@seonnthaproducer said:
There may be an easier solution, Gavinski.

1. The first thing I did was combine Apple's USB-C to Headphone jack dongle with Samsung's 3.5mm AKG headphones (which are honestly fantastic). Total cost, $20 CAD

These are my quick, mobile setup and I really like the convenience of plug and play. I tried using the Samsung AKG headphones to USB-C but those didn't work, sadly. So, be sure to get the 3.5mm AKG earphones from a Samsung store - $10, and the USB-C to Headphone Jack adapter from Apple - $10

2. But if you're doing dedicated YouTube videos, I still recommend having a clip on Lavalier microphone. There are some great quality lavalier mics for $20 - $50 on Amazon. Of course, you could get something like the Rode VideoMic, but that's definitely overkill.

To use that with the iPad Pro, you'll need a special USB-C dongle. I found this one from Cubilux

You could still use the AKG headphones in the headphone jack slot. I honestly recommend getting 2-3 of them. I think they're well worth it (and I'm legitimately surprised Samsung bought AKG, and now they're no longer using their technology).

Hope this helps
#SEONN

Edit: Yeah, I was checking for the Sennheiser Ambeo, but that seems like overkill. I like Sennheiser's products but that seems like too much of a hassle for "binaural audio".

Also, the great part about this is that you're in China. They actually manufacture all these products there. Reach out to a local mobile phone technician in the area and they'll give you solid recommendations at a really low cost.

Thanks Seonn! So that dongle allows you to attach a 3.5mm headset and lavalier mic without any other hub / interface etc. Definitely worth looking into, cheers 👍

seonnthaproducer

@Gavinski Yeah, that's honestly my recommendation as well.

Things to mention

1. Test the device with your iPad. I like going in-store to make sure it works with my iPad. Turns out some dongles work only with iPhones, some with Androids, some neither.
2. Make it a dedicated setup. I know we can always remove and add cables, but I find that every time I remove my dongle from my headphone, I end up misplacing it, and I have to buy another one.
3. If possible, use tie wraps, or cable ties to tie excess cable. It makes it more elegant. Better yet, if you can find the exact cable size, that's perfect.

Hope this helps. Feel free to check out my content over at...
Instagram: #SEONN
YouTube: #SEONN

lukesleepwalker

@Samu said:

@Gavinski said:
Here is the earlier thread
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50954/clip-on-mic-for-youtube-voiceover

And here is a quote from @lukesleepwalker 'did try the Go 2 receiver using an Apple dongle into a lightning connector. It does work, which is cool I guess. But it still doesn't monitor AUM channels back out to the receiver. No go!'

It could be like the SoundCraft Mixers that mute the volume when connected...
...so up the iOS volume after connecting.

Nope, AUM doesn't even recognize the Go 2 receiver as an audio output so it's "input only interface". The only option for audio out are the internal iPad speakers.

Samu

@lukesleepwalker said:

Nope, AUM doesn't even recognize the Go 2 receiver as an audio output so it's "input only interface". The only option for audio out are the internal iPad speakers.

Now that's bad design by default from Røde...
...apparently the 3.5mm output is only pass-thru so it can be connected to a camera to record the audio.

Next step is to focus on USB Headsets...

lukesleepwalker

@Samu said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

Nope, AUM doesn't even recognize the Go 2 receiver as an audio output so it's "input only interface". The only option for audio out are the internal iPad speakers.

Now that's bad design by default from Røde...
...apparently the 3.5mm output is only pass-thru so it can be connected to a camera to record the audio.

Next step is to focus on USB Headsets...

Yes, a terrible design decision but they are likely focused on their core market (cameras) and not thinking about iPad musicians. That's too bad because these little guys sound good and work flawlessly.