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iPad 9th Gen <> AudioFuse 2 Issues
I have a brand new iPad 9th Gen iPad with its lightning connector - connected to the Apple Camera Adapter (with updated firmware).
I have a powered USB 3 hub connected to the MiniFuse 2 (with updated firmware) with an Apple USB-C to USB-A cable.
I have an iMac connected to to Hub and it sees the MiniFuse - thereby verifying the MiniFuse<> Hub connection.
The last remaining piece of the jigsaw is connecting the CKK to the hub via a male USB-A to male USB-A cable.
Using the cable I have - the iPad cannot see the MiniFuse.
Presumably the USB-A cable has to support USB-3. The cable I have may only support USB-1 and may be the cause of the problem.
It seems that cables supporting USB-3 use an extra 2 pins on the connector. Finding an Apple certified USB-3 cable that can connect the CKK with the HUB is proving very difficult. Neither apple nor Belkin make one. With USB supporting multiple versions of the protocol on identical looking cables - its hard to get all the pieces together! It shouldn't be this hard. The videos showing setups overlook the cable details (the basics).
Does anyone have a working system and can specify their components in detail? I also note that this link says "Be aware that typical A-A cables are not intended for connection between two host computers or computer to hub". Well taking this advice would make the setup impossible!
Update: Just tested with a USB 3 <> USB 3 cable (that claims to be USB 3 on the box) and the AudioFuse 2 is still no recognised.
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Hi. Actually, you cannot connect the CCK to the hub using a male USB-A to male USB-A cable. USB is a master/slave system, with one master, multiple slaves. The master is connected to the host port on the hub. The slaves connect to the hub using USB-A connectors. The CCK is configured as a host, so it cannot be connected to a slave port on the hub. What you are trying to do (one hub, two masters) is actually impossible.
If you consider "normal" USB cables, they have different connectors on each end. One is a USB-A connector, the other is one of the several types of "B" connector (USB-B, mini, or micro). This is not just meant to be annoying, it is to discourage attempts at incorrect connections.
What are you trying to achieve with this setup? We might be able to suggest an alternative way of achieving it. For example, IDAM allows direct connection between an iPad and a Mac computer. Or, the various iConnect interfaces have two host ports, allowing complex interconnections.
I am following the instructions supplied by Arturia. They provided a photo (see below) showing the CKK connected to a powered hub with a male USB-A connecter at each end. I just want to be able to use the MiniFuse 2 as an audio/MIDI interface with an iPad 9th Gen and it's proving very difficult. I have an iConnect Midi but it is MIDI only - but I have been able to use it without a hub on my old iPad Air 2 - unlike the MiniFuse - the iConnect is powered. I don't need the complex interconnections possible with the iConnect - just a basic audio (to connect a mic) and MIDI (to connect a Novation Remote 37SL keyboard controller). BTW Arturia also mentioned a configuration which bypassed the hub - but said that they had had mixed results and recommended the hub based configuration. This all sounds like we are in the realm of voodoo here!
Image supplied by Arturia
I have tried unsuccessfully to get an explanation from Apple as to how the CKK differs from a simple Apple Lightning to USB-C cable (apart from its extra lightning port for supplying bus power - which isn't used in this configuration). Of the 10+ support staff I spoke to at AppleCare (inc senior) - none had heard of the CKK - and yet it has been around since the 30pin iPhone connector!
In Arturia's somewhat confusing photo, the Apple CCK is connected to the host port on the side of the powered hub. Apparently, that was a design decision of that hub's maker. The slave ports are on the top (typical), with the Arturia interface connected by a standard USB-A to USB-B connector. The odd design of that powered hub has mislead you. And I expect they recommend the powered hub to ensure there is enough power. Some devices can work if the adapter has power connected, but it can be marginal.
The Apple CCK (actually "USB-3 Camera Adapter") implements the USB host interface, including the supply of 5-volt power. A plain cable has none of that, though it can allow the iPad to be a USB slave when connected to a host computer. Some of the iConnect products explicitly support a direct Lightning connection, as indicated on their ports. (The term "CCK" actually refers to the 30-pin Camera Connection Kit, which was a kit comprising a USB adapter and an SD card reader.)
The description of your requirements does not mention the computer. Connect the hub host port to the iPad via the CCK and you'll be up and running. No actual voodoo required. Make whatever connections the computer needs separately.
Thanks unc. Yes the CKK is now called the Apple Camera Adapter - just using the nomenclature that others are using here. The Arturia is actually connected to the hub with a USB-A to USB-C cable. I only mentioned the iMac because I was using it to check that MiniFuse and the hub were functioning (troubleshooting step). So I wasn't aware USB hubs differentiated between host and slave ports - just usb data and/or power via USB. The manual for the Tp-Link hub doesn't mention any Host ports - they all appear to be equal 'citizens'
My bad - yes there is a host port on the TP-Link - its just that the iMac has been plugged into it for so long - I'd forgotten about it. Followed your advice and it now works! Thanks so much. Arturia should make these connections clear on their web site. iOS appears to be an afterthought for them. BTW: The host port on the hub is the thin flat USB plug (whatever its called) which is in line with the note on the USB reference site which says that a cable with a USB-A connector at each end is not meant for a Host <> Slave connection.
The host port on the TP-Link UH 720 is a USB micro B connector, not a USB-A connector. If you have a different model, it may use a USB-A connector, as does the similar-appearing Arturia example. But most USB hub host connections use a hard-wired cable with a USB-A connector at the free end, eliminating any possible confusion.
Just remember, a USB hub is not a switch or router, it is just a port expander.
Gotcha - on the USB Hub features - now that I've got it working - I need to get another hub to replace the TP-Link which will stay with the Mac. Apart from the tech specs, I've been looking for a hub with more than a short host lead so the iPad can be more distant from the hub - otherwise a lighting cable extender would be required (as has been discussed elsewhere). So for others with the same requirements - it turns out there aren't a lot of options. This is one of the few appropriate models I've found - and it's one of the cheaper ones. Yes the 7 port TP-Link has a detachable host cable which could be replaced but it's a bit of overkill for the task. One of the advantages of the iConnect Audio4C is that for my limited setup - you don't need a hub so long as you don't need more than 500ma of bus power - thereby cutting down on the spaghetti. But the 4C is of course considerably more expensive. Another hub contender
These two pages also contain pictures of USB hubs.
(The USB hub shown in the screenshot of The Sound Test Room youtube video on the first page appears to be a product of a company(?) called atolla(?).
However, I don’t know if all atolla(?) products can be used with minifuse.
The second page is not in English, so those who want to read it may need to use their browser's translate function or a translation site.
If anyone is reading this post of mine, please do your own research before buying anything. I can't take responsibility.)
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/50029/arturia-minifuse-2-interface-not-working-in-aum
http://www.futuremusic-es.com/conectar-arturia-minifuse-apple-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch/
(EDIT)
Sorry if this was written in a confusing way. This post has nothing to do with the content of this thread. This post is in no way connected to the flow of conversation between OP and uncledave. This was written with my assumption someone from Google in search of niche information would be reading this in the future. Please consider my post at this time as an aside or an addendum about minifuse and iPad.
@pattophenalia I believe there are relatively few conventional USB hubs with detachable cables. The first link you posted has a 1-meter fixed cable. That's plenty long for many uses, but may be too short to reach from a keyboard stand to the floor, etc. The second link does have a detachable cable, though still 1 m long. You might be able to replace it, but it uses that rather special USB 3.0 B connector, with an extra bump on top, at the hub. I'd research those cables before committing.
Since your TP-Link has an easily-sourced detachable cable, it might make more sense to use it with the iPad, and get a new powered hub with a fixed cable for the computer.