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How to use RTP MIDI protocol to send MIDI to Musikraken over Wifi?
I can't seem to figure out how to do this. In the Musikraken manual it says this:
CORE MIDI NETWORK:
This can be used to send MIDI events to a different device (for example your computer that runs a DAW) via Wi-Fi. This control uses the Core MIDI implementation of the RTP MIDI protocol.
I've watched several videos and none of them have worked on going from my iPhone to my DAW on OSX (Bitwig). Do you know of a video or clear instructions on how to set this up?
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Where in the process is it not functioning? Or how far are you getting?
You also have to manually join the midi network session (not just the network itself) on the iOS device.
Also be ready to run 30ms+ offsets :P
If you can use Bluetooth MIDI instead, it'll work far better than WiFi. Once the connection is established, your iPhone should appear as a normal midi device in Bitwig I would think.
If it doesn't have to be wireless, and you don't need to plug any USB devices into the iPhone, then iDAM is an even better way to go. [edit - another thread suggests you do need to plug devices into the phone]
What is the sender on the iPhone? AUM?
Network Session setup instructions vary depending on what host or app you're using on the iPhone. Some programs such as AUM have a network session establishment dialog. Others don't and require something like MIDIFire to set up the connection.
Also, did I understand from another thread that this is for live use? If so, no way you want to rely on wifi. However, network session can be established over wired ethernet with USB ethernet adapters.
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I set up the 5004 port in the MIDI Network Setup in MIDI Studio within Audio MIDI Setup and in the DIrectory tab, my iPhone shows up but won't connect. I get this error "iPhone (2) local. couldn’t be located. Make sure you entered the address correctly. (15:12:07)"
Thanks! Bluetooth does work but it took forever to get my Mac to see it. So frustrating. I thought it wasn't going to work and then all of a sudden it connected. My full iphone batter drained completely in 15 minutes and my phone was very warm to touch. I think I'll try the iDAM thing. Thank you!
Sorry, you said that, but I missed it because I thought it was something running on the Mac. It looks like Musikraken has a network setup built-in.
So, how familiar are you with the setup needed on the Mac? It involves going to AudioMIDI Setup, opening the MIDI Studio Window, and clicking on the icon that looks like a globe. Have you gotten that far?
[edit - I'm lagging on the posts here. I see you already got there.]
few questions:
ignore this..just re-read your post
can you post some screenshots of audiomidisetup errors?
I use RTP and AVB pretty heavily. The default setup in AMS is fine. You do have to manually start the session on the mac and add the iphone participant.
you also might want to try using a different app to connect to the RTP session on the ios device, like NetMIDI or Bome Network (or AUM).
Thank you!
1) yes, but I can't enable it. It stays greyed out. (Is this to enable IDAM?)
2) I'm not sure. It says iPhone but I think I created that session
3) No, I only have this one iMac in my studio to use
If I could just find a video online that shows the steps from scratch, I'd be good. I just haven't been able to google and find one that shows simply and clearly the steps.
I RTP better than using IDAM? One issue is there are several ways to go about this and I've halfway tried all of them, thus massive confusion. If one stands out as a superior way to send midi data fast in real time for live performance, I would just settle on it and figure it out.
wim's suggestion of bluetooth is more than valid as well. you'll experience less headaches by far.
the other solution is rather simple as well if your iconnectaudio is attached to your ios device:
Depends on you use case, but 99.9^99999% of the time, wifi is going to be the worst option.
RTP is the worst way to go. It's subject to wifi latency which is always not great, and can be really variable. It can be OK for controlling things such as synth parameters and mixing, but is really difficult for live playing. If you can connect wired over ethernet, it can be much, much better though.
iDAM is the most stable and lowest latency. You need a good cable and solid connection though. I've sometimes had to try a couple of different cables to keep from losing connection from time to time. Also, you have to enable the connection each time the device disconnects for any reason. It's easy, but annoying that it isn't automatic. And, it can't be used if you need to connect anything else via USB to the iOS device.
BLE Midi is the next best thing. Latency is generally acceptable and reliability is good. The connection has to be established each time though, like any BLE Midi connection.
What happens if you click on iPhone (2)? Does the Connect button below it enable? If so, then you just need to click that button.
Thanks for this! Great to see the comparisons and alleviates a lot of the confusion. it's so weird cause I tried for hours to enable my phone when it showed up in Audio Devices menu in Audio MIDI Setup and then once I plugged it into a charger, the it was no longer greyed out and I could connect. So is this the built in IDAM functionality? Does it require being on a WiFi network? (sorry for super ignorant questions btw)!
Your iphone isnt in the session.
Directory = available clients
Participants = active in the session
clicking that button produced the error
I think I may get it now> @wim said:
no problem. thank you for your help!
I'm confused. iDAM works over a USB cable between the iPhone and the Mac. The phone should not be able to be enabled unless it's connected to the Mac. (I think I remember some people mentioning disconnected devices erroneously showing up as available since one of the more recent MacOS updates. I believe this is a bug, and doesn't work over wifi as far as I know.)
So is this the built in IDAM functionality? Does it require being on a WiFi network? (sorry for super ignorant questions btw)!
Yes, this is built-in iDAM functionality. It allows iOS > Mac audio, and bi-directional MIDI.
No problem, I find this all confusing, and I have 30+ years of IT experience.
To reiterate what wim said, wifi is terrible. I really only use it for controllers/remotes. Sequencing is kinda lulz.
This is the key!! I was plugged into my USB hub for charging and so that's why the IDAM entry showed up.
Ok, I've got IDAM working and...
I think I've got the RTP working as well, though I really don't want to rely on WiFi for this. I needed to enter the IP address of the host to get it to work and now it shows up. It shows up in Bitwig as "Network "
I can't thank you enough for your responses. Something clicked and now I think I understand what is happening. I didn't realize IDAM communicated through USB.
I want to thank everyone who responded. I love this community, that so many people would jump on to try and help. Thanks SO SO much everyone. I thought I was losing my mind and now I think I'm sane again.
@wim , now that I'm able to use IDAM, I wonder if IDAM is as reliable as using my iConnectMIDI2+. I ask because I'll have to get a Apple USB3 Charger to use my iPhone with the iConnectMIDI2+. If they are equivalent, I don't need to buy that adapter.
I can’t comment on the reliability differences. Only experimentation will tell.
The iConnectMIDI2+ is far more flexible, especially when it comes to audio.
iDAM is simpler, but limited as far as audio goes, to iOS > MacOS only, not the other way around. Also, if you do need to plug something else, such as an audio interface into the phone, you won’t be able to use iDAM. On the other hand, as you’ve seen, the phone can be powered and even charged via power from the Mac or the hub, without a USB 3 CCK.
Thank you! Great info!