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Off Topic: Two Factor Authentication?
Looking for people's experience with Apple's Two Factor Authentication...
I've had an Apple account for a while now so I don't have to use it, however old accounts once signed up cannot opt out after two weeks so I'd be stuck with it.
Maybe not a bad thing, except I don't always have a cell phone account, though as I understand it you can also use a home phone/landline.
As I also understand it, it's not particularly intrusive, in terms of having to constantly authenticate. Once you're signed in, that's pretty much it, unless you sign out of a device or change your password for whatever reason.
Any other thoughts on this from anyone? Before I get locked in? Thanks in advance for any wisdom... (bows)
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I use a google voice phone number so I can access from anywhere.
Nothing but problems for me. Hate it. On my work phone and iPad I have to reset it all the time just to access email, it's unavailable to access all the time. Just a nightmare. Although I totally won't discount role role my organisation plays in these dilemmas.
No issues for me, it's painless and like you said once you do it once that's the last you need to worry about it. I also usually have access to an iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch, so there's very few times I wouldn't be able to authenticate if needed. It's a pretty easy and robust way to safeguard your account IMVHO.
My experience has actually been completely smooth and unobtrusive as well. It gives me the ability to use universal control which I must admit has been way more handy than I first thought. Being able to work using the iPad and the laptop as a combined device has been a bit of a blessing at times.
It works great. Use two-factor authentication on everything because it is trivially easy for systems to be hacked today. As someone who was included in a nationwide credit reporting agency hack in the US, I’m glad these systems work. Someone also tried opening a line of credit in my name and thankfully it was caught in time. There are an unknown number of criminals looking to take advantage of others, so every countermeasure is important to prevent those looking for easy targets.
I guess two-factor is the simplest way to address the issue from Apple's position right now and people have to be responsible for the extra burden it places on them in order to have the extra layer of protection. Apple is sort of caught between doing nothing and endangering their users and doing too much, which would lead to no one securing their accounts.
Can I ask a stupid question?
OK.
Why is 2FA, a "Forgot password" feature, or any of those sorts of things necessary at all?
If I have a secure (i.e., non-trivial, long enough, non-dictionary) password, and I don't put it on a yellow sticky note on my monitor or anything else stupid, it should be 100% secure no matter what happens.
This is how the world worked between roughly 1950 and 2010. Why is stuff like 2FA suddenly necessary?
(You can probably guess my opinion -- I hate this stuff with a passion and I've actually had quite "energetic" chats with Apple representatives, asking them in no vague terms to turn it off).
According to these companies, passwords tend to be re-used by people on all kinds of different accounts or they choose easily guessed passwords.
OK, but how is that a problem of the companies? i.e. car manufacturers also aren't adding 5 more locks to each door just because people misplace their keys!
Sorry for reviving this thread. What do you guys do if you don't want to use your personal phone number for 2FAs?
If possible use an Authenticator app. Microsoft has one, Google has one. You usually scan a QR code provided by the platform and then it adds a time based token into the app for you to use for subsequent logins. I use Gmail as my main email account and the Google Authenticator will save the 2FA accts to my Google acct for cross platform use. It’s nice. Have to hope Google doesn’t get popped.
There’s some misinformation in this thread. 2FA is definitely not the same as forgot password (though with 2FA enabled you will need to provide your second factor as part of that process). The password is something you know, the 2FA is something you have. Even using SMS is better than using nothing (some sites/apps/platforms don’t support a 2FA app yet, even though it’s 2024 🫠)
Even if you use a CRAZY good password, if where it’s being stored is using shitty cryptographic techniques for storing that password (or hell, storing it in plain text, god forbid) it doesn’t matter how good your password is. It could be “password” or “1 Super Awesome Password!” and it’s compromised if the platform gets popped..
Anyway, tl;dr -> 2FA is best, SMS is second, a service that won’t allow either is a service I won’t use.
Regarding original OP question I’ve been using the Apple 2FA for Apple services and what not for years now, it’s fine. No issues. I guess if I lost my phone, watch and iPad I’d be fucked lol, but I kind of think I’d have other things to worry about at that point…
Man it's interesting how perspectives differ! For me it's "A service that requires 2FA is a service I won't use (if there's alternatives)" ☺️
I’ve got nothing against 2FA, and I can understand its advantages. The biggest disadvantage I can see are sites that enforce 2FA, but do not allow multi user access to the service they offer. A nightmare for an IT contractor like myself, when you always have to chase after that 2FA SMS that was sent to a clients member of staff or manager.
And I notice another paranoia driven trend: Repeated 2FA! For every little shi**y thing you do on some sites, you have to reauthenticate again and again.
How often does that happen? Just curious... In recent years I've been getting all these annoying "SECURITY ALERT: [...]" e-mails whenever I log into any of my accounts, so I've added a filter rule to my email that marks any email with "Security" or "Alert" in the subject line as SPAM...
(the actual filter rule is a bit more sophisticated but I'm just paraphrasing as I usually do...)
Exactly, I've been through this countless times with an agency I do IT stuff for remotely... we've decided to switch to alternative providers because of it.
That's my bank! 😂 2FA for logging in. 2FA for adding a payee. 2FA for sending the payment.
Did you ever heard about "man in the middle" attack ? :-)
Becasue of "man in the middle" attack :-)
In general, you cannot be enough paranoid when it comes to online security ;-)
I've heard about this... just glanced at the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article. Shouldn't this be impossible with HTTPS, which is what literally 100% of websites and APIs that process sensitive information use?
Really! OK... yeah I must admit I'd rather be walking in the forest or on the beach with the phone in airplane mode than reading security alerts and actively denying people access who don't know my password anyway 😄 (no sorry I know... I'm just terribly pragmatic, to a fault!)
But tastes are different, and that's a good thing! Just sharing my "don't-give-a-fsck" perspective which is just as valid or invalid as anyone else's...