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Trippy watery wub pops that drip (gate’d formant wavetable risers?)

jollyDodgerjollyDodger
edited July 2022 in General App Discussion

How for the love of god, how are the fx sounds that are in these tracks created? I imagine they are fermented from dmt dub sirens on salvia. I just don’t know where to start.

(Starts 1:53)
https://youtu.be/Vssb8Fdkq2g
(1:53)
https://youtu.be/xOPy3tZfq_M
(0:52)
https://youtu.be/X4ja762aWKA

What’s the closest synth/app/preset/tutorial/patch for that?. lol. And if you says Drambo without example, I shall curse your first born child to be named Drambo in this life and the next.

Comments

  • jollyDodgerjollyDodger
    edited July 2022

    Some of the fx presets on synthmaster 2 are wavy bubbles.

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    @jollyDodger said:
    How for the love of god are the fx sounds that are in these tracks created? I imagine they are fermented from dmt dub sirens on salvia. I just don’t know where to start.

    Modulate the modulation lfo
    setup a relation between panning and beat / lfo (half, quarter, triplet, whatever)
    excellent filters, response to envelopes, reverb quality

    the Symbolico track is outstanding in that context, thanks for linking it B)

  • SpidericemidasSpidericemidas

    Can’t really help much with all those weird and wonderful fx, but, great music I was not aware of! I will be looking more into these. Thanks!
    All I can offer is that I have sort of produced similar type sounds to some of those bubbling and stuttering fx in MiRack with LFOs modulating LFOs modulating LFOs modulating LFOs that are modulating things like filters and pitch! 🤯🤪

  • jollyDodgerjollyDodger
    edited July 2022

    Thanks Spider and Telefunk B)
    Yeah there appear to be three things I can track here:
    1) bubble acid pops. Snappy lfo*lfo filtered envelops or the env pings the filter or something. I’ve occasionally heard analogue synths do it on YouTube. i have not yet found a patch I can reverse engineer from an iOS synth preset?
    2) the wavetable formanty gated thing is similar to synthmaster2 SQ robotnic step ks preset. i.e. a wave table of formants, and a saw lfo & sequenced gate-like lfo driving the wavetable scan and the filter simultaneously.
    3) how does the engineering create so much separation (beyond just basic EQ, reverb & compression) - some sort of dark arts space 👾 thing with modulated panning and reverb - but it’s not just a reverb. Everything’s wide but at the same time upfront and distinct. I need to possess this forbidden secret. (the infected mushroom 🍄 wider app kinds does this but has little control or explanation of what’s going on)

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    I'm a big fan of this style of music, I hear different elements in each of these tracks though...the common theme seems to be a squelch. to achieve this, modulate the oscillator's pitch one way, and use the same mod source to modulate the filter to open in the other direction. Try a smooth S&H LFO to get some random variation. Hope that helps give you a start

  • SpidericemidasSpidericemidas
    edited July 2022

    Also, I am wondering if it might be possible to produce some of these fx sounds using a synth like Argon or Unique which produce vowel sounds and then mangle and glitch them up by feeding through apps like Gatelab, Scatterbrain and Shredder.

    You could have the LFOs on the synths sweeping the vowel filter and pitch on a sustained sound, and the fx apps like Gatelab, Scatterbrain and Shredder would be glitching it up with varying stuttering speeds and wotnot.

    You could set something like that up in AUM and make a recording whilst messing live with all the various parameters to produce all sorts of movement and variation. Then you could take that recording and chop it up to isolate the best results to trigger as samples in a track.

    Edit: You wouldn’t just have to rely on the built-in LFOs of the synths. In AUM you could assign more LFOs to filter and pitch etc by using Roseta LFOs to produce more crazy and complex movements.

    Just a thought. 😊

  • TelefunkyTelefunky
    edited July 2022

    @jollyDodger said:
    3) how does the engineering create so much separation (beyond just basic EQ, reverb & compression) - some sort of dark arts space 👾 thing with modulated panning and reverb - but it’s not just a reverb. Everything’s wide but at the same time upfront and distinct. I need to possess this forbidden secret. (the infected mushroom 🍄 wider app kinds does this but has little control or explanation of what’s going on)

    The difference of a studio production, clocked perfectly in 96khz and a 1st class reverb.
    Symbolico (also didn‘t know him before) reminds me on another psytrance artist from Israel with a similar soundprint.

    Wider is a plugin by Asaf Dar, the algorithm mastermind in Polyverse. He formerly created the Flexor modular system, XOR synth and the great freebie KickMe under the Adern brand.
    Flexor runs on Sharc DSPs and was quite popular in the psytrance scene, Infected Mushroom also used it.

    Of course it’s hard to tell by ear what exactly Symbolico used, but filter and modulation remind on Flexor, which also simplifies routing of signal and control/modulation.
    (it‘s a huge DSP load, though)
    ps: some sound examples at the bottom of page
    https://sonic-core.de/product/flexor-v3/

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    Icework’s Kajita looks like a prime candidate to achieve this effect.

  • anicktanickt

    Make sounds with your own voice. Re-pitch and stretch. Play backwards. Add appropriate delays and verb. You’ll have something unique that is relatively easy to do and fun as well.

  • shinyisshinyshinyisshiny

    hi resonance LPF modulated with ENV or LFO or random, detuned saw or wavetables, Formant filter , bit crush / sample rate reduction, delay, reverb. im not sure about which synth to use, but many can re create the basic formula.

  • shinyisshinyshinyisshiny

    oh, and OTT, or WOOT in the case of iOS

  • shinyisshinyshinyisshiny

    here are some tutorials :

  • jollyDodgerjollyDodger
    edited July 2022

    Thanks for the feedback peeps..

    Shinyisshiny - nice thanks - yes! A Google for psydub synth has loads of tutorials. I didn’t think of that. The one’s I’ve seen so far are mostly the squelch created by a modulated saw/wt with bandpass or LP filter recipe. I don’t enjoy most psytrance/dub anymore, my late 90’s were sodden with all of those (Simon Posford, TIP(youth’s studio) & Flying Rhino) parties & studios.

    Philandering_bastard Kajaita looks cool, although not sure what it offers as timeless is my go to panning delay/reverb, but I like the sound of it, it’s really clear what the process order is, so will try.

    So what I’m still looking for is how to do that analogue bubble-pop sound - and I’m going through every preset in synthmaster until I hear it. Lol. (I got all the presets in the summer sale). Also googling water drop synth comes up with some recipes.

    And lastly. I need to learn about mixing reverb, stereo-imaging and extra-widening to get that spacious surreal sound staging that these tracks have. Is anyone is experienced?

    Bon voyage fellow travellers.

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