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I have a Linnstrument and Cubasis 3 on my iPad. The Swam Cello is very tempting. I guess it's impossible to record midi MPE in Cubasis 3? I will need a MPE midi recorder? Not sure how it works.
I don’t think cubasis records mpe. I use atom or xequence which the later was just updated to be able to edit mpe. More times than not I just play it live into loopy pro and export the wave into cubasis. I use a keyboard to play them and have an expression pedal and use the mod wheel. Geoshred is also great for a controller.
Thanks! Last questions; do you know is Swam instrument are rough on the CPU? Is there a wayt to generate chords with an app? Multiples instances per example?
An important point to note about Atom2 is that it can't record mpe loops accurately, as the CCs get overwritten each time. Does Geert Bevin's (mpe) midi recorder do this? Does the new Xequence update allow this?
I’m honestly not sure. This is all still pretty new to me and I too am still figuring things out. Maybe someone with more knowledge will chime in. By the way @Gavinski, I watch all your videos, you do great things for the community!
I seem to be able to have quite a few instances when I do use them and it all seems fine for me. I have a 2021 iPad Pro with 16gb ram though. The last song I posted was something like 52 tracks and like 120 plugins in cubasis 3 😂, cpu hasn’t gone above 10% but the dsp hovers around 50-70 depending on what I’m doing. It is to the point now that I get some glitches when opening auv3’s but only for a second. I also have latency pretty high since I’m not recording anymore for the track. Completely overboard and could definitely be cut down some if I wasn’t such a mess while recording.
@puppychumful USA store is showing $65 usd. Maybe there is a delay between countries? I’m not sure. I also got an email yesterday from Audio Modeling about the sale.
I do agree with Gavinski about some of the bundles being redundant, unless you are trying to create a big band set up, or full orchestra I suppose. I have the string bundle, and then basically one instrument of each of the other bundles; which has covered all my needs. I referenced an orchestral range chart when buying individual SWAM instruments to make sure I had something nice in each register; but everyone’s needs are a bit different.
Another thing to consider is that Audio Modeling are currently working on developing SWAM ensembles; so the most bang for you buck might be to only purchase instruments that you would want feature as solos in your music for now, and wait for ensemble release for instruments you plan to use in groups on tracks.
Do you mean Atom has trouble if you OVERDUB record when looping? (Atom has some MPE issues even when not looping)
FWIW, independent of whether an app erases CCs between passes (which seems like a bug), overdubbing MPE is potentially fraught just because of how MPE works.
Yes @espiegel123 i mean overdubbing. The Atom2 dev himself said to me this is not possible in the current app.
As far as I know, no one has yet managed to create an ensemble of modeled instruments, only solo instruments. It could be quite an interesting experiment, because if it works modeled choirs capable of simulating sung lyrics (not just 'aahs', 'oohs', etc.) should also be technically possible.
You might want to clarify your original post. Loop recording isn't necessarily dome with overdubbing. In my use case, for example, I almost never overdub when recording midi loops. (Atom has some problems with some MPE even when not overdub recording, though).
Thank you all, I learned quite a bit by rereading some of the salient posts!
That's interesting. What are the problems you found?
@Gavinski: midi tape recorder erases when recording over an already recorded section…probably for the reason I alluded to.
MPE uses dynamic midi channel assignments for notes and the associated midi events (per voice cc’s, aftertouch, pitch-bend) this make’s overdubbing subject to all sorts of issues. I don’t have the time to explain more if it isn’t clear why things could be problematic.
See the note about overdubbing on:
https://uwyn.com/mtr/support/
If you aren’t familiar with the details of how MPE works, it is probably worth looking into at a technical level to appreciate the issues.
Sure I am reasonably familiar with how mpe works but I am not familiar with the technicalities behind recording multiple layers of midi CCs. If it's not possible, so be it, stick to audio looping for overdubbed mpe 🤷♂️
Btw: there is a lot of SWAM French Horn use on Kaidi Tatham’s newest album: https://open.spotify.com/album/0GqqcsLEONWqTXld0tdnF7?si=oAhh0utaS_yPKCegO6LdcA
I remember seeing him use it on his Instagram working on the album 🤩
Quick Tip - for Geoswam instruments, even though the Swams are monophonic, you can send chords to the swan instruments in Geoshred with basic midi, if you skip midi channel 1 and send it on midi channel 2.
Xequence 2 just added full MPE recording, and editing capabilities with a $4.99 IAP.
Whoa 🤯
Wow, I thought MPE was a prerequisite. Which MIDI settings on Geoshred work best for this?
Also, can expression & pitch bend be controlled as well?
Any tutorials out there for this?
Why are my GeoSWAMs so much more responsive than my standalones? By responsive, I mean the notes speak more quickly and cleanly. I can actually shred at high speed in the GeoSWAMs, but have to hold back the chops when playing the standalones.
Do the GS models use less cpu, perhaps?
Or, I tend to map multiple different parameters to aftertouch when I play the standalones. Could this make them less responsive, or more cpu hungry?
I did one
I know what you mean @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr but not sure I can explain it… perhaps it removes a layer of software but it can only be tiny bits of a second difference? I always thing the Geo.. instruments just feel more direct, physical… don’t know!
So it’s not just me. I may have to repurchase the bass flute in GS just to see if it responds better.
The only SWAM stand-alone I use with geoshred is bass flute. I regularly use geoflute and bass flute together on projects, and haven’t noticed a difference in responsiveness other than stuck notes happening more frequently on bass flute.
Tnx man. I’ve been wondering if maybe my iPad is just underpowered (2017 pro).