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Like Justin Guitar but for keys?
When I was re-learning guitar, I had Justin Guitar, and a bunch of other great teachers (in addition to a real-life human teacher I visited every week). Folks like Eric Haugen, for example.
Who are the equivalents for keys? A combo of super-basic lessons, like how to finger chords, and play scales, properly, but also how to play some songs? And not Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, either .
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Glad you are asking this. I’m having one of my periodic ‘should I try to learn piano’ phases, looking for something that avoids learning to sight read music, and cuts to the physical chase. The ‘Dec Play’ system seems well thought of, though I could live without the online audience thing:
https://decplay.com/free-piano-lessons-ga1/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI27zp0LTr-QIVBt1RCh2wuQY7EAAYAiAAEgKkV_D_BwE
Definitely interested if anyone here has some practical experience of apps, etc that might be worth a try…
I am in the same situation, I can play guitar, always had a nice 61 key synthesizer in my room but never learned to play keys properly. The synth has gone, but for my son we bought a Yamaha digital piano a few years ago, and I am noodling around from time to time.
My tip is, and it is a bit out of the box, I have this from someone else, get the Hooktheory 1 and 2 apps.
These apps learn you about why certain melodies work, and how to construct interesting chord progressions. Hooktheory 1 is pretty basic but essential, 2 goes really deep (with for example, the V chord of the V chord, I never heard of this before).
Hooktheory has a song database: https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab
Here you can learn to play the melody and chord sequence of a lot of songs. They have some kind of midi player, and the nice thing is, you can transpose every song to the key of C major or A minor (or C Dorian, etc), so you can play it easily with mostly white keys. A step up would be to play the song in the original key.
In conjunction with the 2 apps you learn a lot about music, you can play the songs from the database for free, you don't need the apps for that.
That is my approach to get some muscle memory and also a deeper understanding for chords and melodies. Reading stuff from paper would be better, but that is hard for me.
And you can use an app like Synthesia, it shows the notes of a musical piece in a time line. You can play some tunes after a while from memory, I am not sure it will help you understand the piano.
@raabje : interesting! It is understanding the theory in a practical way that I can apply to my own noises that interests me primarily - I know I will never be a live performer of any fluency on any instrument, however hard I practice, but if I can crack the nut of understanding, that would be a great thing. I’m going to check out your recommendation, thank you.
@Svetlovska Okay, thanks! The nice thing is, with piano the notes are lined out linear. So for example going from a C major chord to Cminor, it all makes sense, with flat or sharp notes here and there. From a guitar point of view, it was always a bit abstract for me. But with the knowledge of piano chords, I can understand guitar also better.
Also, I didn't realize this for a long time, I have a piano chord book, and it is all repeated. If you can play and understand all the chords in C, you know them all. The position of your fingers is slightly different with black and white keys, but the way the chord is build with intervals stays the same. With guitar you mostly learn chords from memory, you don't care about the notes the chord is formed, so construct a chord from an other chord is more of a puzzle.
I haven't done it yet but I am thinking of writing the notes on the piano keys, maybe I can learn a new song or melody a bit faster. (Could be counterproductive over a longer time period, a quick start, but you learn slower to memorize)
What Hooktheory 1 and 2 also learns you is the inversion of chords, how en when to use them, what chords to use, in conjunction with the chord sequence and melody and bassline you play. Hooktheory really focuses on the relationship between chords and melody, I have never read that kind of information elsewhere.
And, maybe an other tip, the app Tonality could be a bridge between guitar and piano, it shows the chords and notes for both instruments.
Can you read music? I would suggest that as a start point, as it really allows you to make good progress on your own with piano once you can pick up a book and follow lessons. Starting books usually give finger positions, but they’re not helpful unless you can read music.
Spoiler alert: it’s not as hard as you think to learn to sight read.
This is my favorite:
https://pianowithjonny.com/
You could also try https://www.pianote.com/ but PWJ is top notch.
I think it’s a lot easier to learn the piano keys than notes on the guitar (which I still haven’t managed yet).
Hook Theory is great. I should dust it off for piano.
I'm not familiar with Justin Guitar, but I like Open Studio Jazz for streaming piano lessons, especially the courses taught by Adam Maness. Part of his style is to get you to practice along with him, although I do admit that most of the time, I have to pause the video and work on stuff on my own before I can keep up with Adam.
https://www.openstudiojazz.com/
Much of the material is available for free on their Youtube channel. What the paid courses give you is a structured lesson plan, more playalong videos, more downloadables, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/c/OpenStudioJazz
@GovernorSilver checking now! 👍