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Expansions vs. Dedicated App
We wanted to get you guys opinions on something. Recently, we started consolidating all of the Pure Synth® type apps to work inside of Pure Synth® Player, but there are some users that are "nestalgic" about having dedicated apps, instead of one universal app.
We wanted to take a poll on the concept of One Player with Expansions vs Separate Apps
- What do you prefer Expansions or Dedicated App18 votes
- I prefer expansions from within the player55.56%
- I prefer a separate app16.67%
- It depends on the app27.78%
Comments
It also depends on the CPU/Memory footprint of the app. It's nice to have a single container for different sounds, but this is useful only if you can run multiple instances of the app without impacting too much on the CPU utilization.
I voted "It depends on the app".
If the 'Expansion' uses features already existing in the core app (like Pure Synth) there is no need to wrap the expansion into a separate app especially since the core app is already a 'free' download.
However if the expansion relies on features NOT present in the core app then a new app could be considered unless the 'core app' will be updated with all the features the new expansion needs.
I do get that some users might like to use one app for a specific set of sounds with an UI that reflects the type of sounds.
If the 'core' for all the apps is the same then it might be enough to add 'theme chooser' to the core app that changes the UI to reflect the expansion/sound-category that is currently being used. (For example change the skin to look more like a piano for pianos, and synth for synt sounds, somewhat similar what Korg Module does).
Slightly OT, but I'd love to see the SY85/TG500 expansion make it to Pure Synth...
(I'm currently looking for a USB Floppy replacement for my SY85 as the disk-drive has given up).
But this just my opinion...
Cheers!
/Samuel
@Samu The Theme chooser is a great idea actually....haha! Still it's just as much work from the development, but I do agree that some "special" apps may require a theme.
Funny you say that about the Sy85....This is our next big update to PSP. All the samples are done. The difference with this one is that It will have all of the Factory Presets and Performances ;-)
I prefer separate apps. I say this having grabbed all the GM apps, and all their expansions, so a lot of PSP matches what I have in other apps. I still like the separation when creating however. So for bass I’ll go BASSalicious proper instead of the PSP expansion usually. Same with Tines etc.
Any chance we could get trackpad/mouse scrolling support in the preset menu like there is on desktop? This would be great for magic keyboard case users etc.
First, thank you @GospelMusicians for being so attentive to customer expectations.
I think it makes more sense to have one single core engine with expansions.
This way you can put your energy on one single core engine, add features to it over time that would benefit to all expansions, decrease maintenance costs and updates of many apps, etc.
For the “nostalgic” ones, yes a skin for every family of instruments a la GarageBand or Korg Module would be great but, let’s face it, non essential.
Cool, looking forward to it!
The licensed Apex Exciter in particular was/is one of the 'mojo effects' of the SY85 which is handy since the factory rom most consists of compressed 22Khz 16-bit samples with no velocity layering and very audible split-points etc. but that is what made it 'special'
(One classic example on the the SY85 Itopia sample where it almost sounds like a different synth was used to create the original sample when you reach C4).
The SY85 drum sounds are 'cheesy' but pack quite a punch when correctly tuned
Apart from the floppy drive my SY85 is still working after ~30 years I've owned it which is kinda impressive!
Please do let us know when the SY85/TG500 expansion is out...
Cheers!
@Samu I've been through four hardrvies over 3-years with the SY99 and SY85. Those things just fail for some reason. Wow I didn't know someone was able to mimic the Exciter in the SY85. I can tell you that the SY85 was my second synth and I didn't appreciate it back in 91, but now, no one can tell me that that unit didn't have the best Pads, even to this day.
Yamaha actually licensed the Apex Aural Exciter for the SY85. There's a mention of it in the manual.
I know my 'lousy' samples will never compete with what you guys are doing but they are good enough building blocks for my noodles in BM3 and other 'iSamplers'. I will at some point re-sample my SY85 (no effects, just the raw un-effected waveforms).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sd2vv0yzg6xg5t0/SY85_2022.zip?dl=0
(I'm 'old school', just one sample stretched across the keyboard).
Btw. does the 'wave-table' import for Pure Synth also accept 'regular' samples including embedded loop points?
As said, looking forward to the SY85/TG500 expansion for Pure Synth
Cheers!
/Samuel
Sorry, just single cycles. It has a lot to do with the interpolation, etc...
No worries...
It does feel like importing and managing user-samples could be an interesting IAP addition to Pure Synth?
(ie. create a custom wave oscillator with sounds spread across a range of notes/velocity ranges).
This is one feature I love on the SY85!
(I got the 'sample file headers' from Yamaha so I could just save the files to a floppy with an added header and load them to the SY85, Midi SDS is/was just too slow).
Do you have any ETA on the SY85/TG500 expansion for iPad Pure Synth?
(Just need to be prepared with enough store-credits when it drops).
Take Care & Stay Safe!
I’m generally in favor of separate apps, but I do like the idea of having all the GM apps in one container. Currently have PSP, Neo Soul Keys, and Bassalicious. That would probably inspire me to buy more.
For the products you've released so far, I think there's more potential for one single app. But I don't like seeing products I don't own in the preset browser. When I'm creating music, buying gear is exactly what I don't want to think about. And since FM Tines is the only GM product I've purchased on desktop so far, the name "Pure Synth" itself is a reminder that I don't own the factory content for Pure Synth.
If I had both options, I would usually use a dedicated app for each library, because I can load them from the plugin list. With Kontakt, I usually don't layer my instruments, so I have to search for Kontakt in the plugin list, then search for the library within Kontakt. If I could have my favorite Kontakt or Pure Synth libraries in the plugin list, it would be faster to load them. And most of the Gospel Musicians libraries would go on that list of favorites.
If I could only have one option, well...an app like Kontakt has some powerful features that I do use sometimes, and I wouldn't trade that power for convenience. But if I had both options, I would use both options, and I would use the dedicated apps more frequently.