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My childhood friend and frequent collaborator, who goes by the name Gewgawly I , recently released his original soundtrack to the game Norco. We toured in several bands together.
Electronic music can pack an emotional wallop, especially when intertwined with a narrative.
Usually, i don't get tears with electronic music.
But there are some artist or songs that take you on a ride to anger, sadness, hope, enjoyment and the greater than life feeling.
I heard about Art of Noise on the radio, and got me intrigued. I was so different and and touched me in a way.
I bought the CD "Daft", and it was unsettling but also serene. For me, it was an introduction to the other side of electronic music.
About non-electronic music, this one moved me to tears:
The emotions on this one can make me shed a tear. What a god damn banger!!
This has been a fun thread to read. Discovered some new music along the way (along with some familiar favorites).
I guess for me, anything in D minor may bring me to tears…
Emotions constituted by chemical combinations coursing in your noggin, you controlling the contemplative concatenation coming through this cool corner of the cosmos, consciously or un
evolving persuasions unto timbral vibrations of soulful spectral love tingles sashaying up your spine and swirling your skull into deep outer space
Such a classic, that last line gets me every time.
Ha! He’s right about D Minor though. ‘The saddest of all keys.’ !
I didn’t realise crying is the only available emotional response 🤔
Seriously though. Music hardly ever makes me cry and if if does it is because of connections to memories or people or both. I generally get a rush of energy or shivers or some kind of euphoric state.
I get that a lot with subtleties often found in the rhythmical gentle stuff what Mathew Herbert used to do. I get that a lot on Radiolla Volta radio station.
High pitched percussive bells with mechanical element as well as slightly defined saws always affect me somehow although it couldn’t always be defined as an emotional response.
Anyway, music is great!
Beautiful, thank you.
I find as I get older that I like music that makes me fill in the gaps. I have little interest in the obvious tropes that pull this way and that on my emotions. There are definitely exceptions.
Also - when I revisit the instrumental electronic music I listened to 25 years ago, very little of it has the same impact as it did back then. So much was based on just having a new sound. That said, the lyrics based music I listened to in my teens and early twenties I almost never listen to now.
I much prefer the process of making music to listening to it now. Even though I rarely finish anything.
So, the data here seems to show that some people shed tears and breathe strangely when listening to some music.
Of those people, the vast majority are unaffected (as far as shedding tears is concerned) by electronic music.
Electronic music can move people in some ways, just never as profoundly as non-electronic music.
Thanks for your help everyone. I'm going to the papers with this.
From around 3:25 onwards, this one always overwhelms me and produces tears. It's not just the sentiments. It's about certain frequencies and combinations of frequencies which resonate with our own individual frequencies. I get affected emotionally by sound and the power of sound, not lyrics.
You think it's just the sounds in and of themselves? (god I hate that phrase). And not that those sounds are prompting other thoughts, specifically memories? The idea that it's just the sounds themselves is interesting and unsusual, imo.
That's right. I have no thoughts when I listen to that piece. It does not hold any nostalgic memories for me. It is not associated with anything or anyone in my life. It is simply the power of the music and the frequencies and timbres used, and the arrangement of sounds, which trigger me.
Here's another example. I was three years old when Pink Floyd DSOTM was released. My Dad bought the vinyl home, put his headphones on me and let me listen to a portion of it. I'm 52 now and I can still remember it so clearly. I freaked out from the sheer power and sounds I was hearing. There is no way at three years old I would have understood any of the meanings of the lyrics. Also it could not remind me of anything because that was my first time hearing it. It was the frequencies and combinations/interactions of frequencies and the power expressed in the music and arrangement itself that freaked me out, and made me cry, not from being scared by it, but from feeling emotionally overwhelmed by the input of those particular sounds. Even to this day, I cannot listen to DSOTM without crying. And it's nothing to do with nostalgia or memories or the lyrics, even though I obviously understand them now. I know for a fact it's the sounds and frequencies. It's that shivers on the arms and neck moment from the sounds.
Everything is frequencies. We are frequencies, and we think and feel and act in different frequencies. We emit frequencies. We absorb frequencies. We see in frequencies. We hear in frequencies. Everything around us is frequencies. When people use the phrase "that resonates with me", that is literally what is happening in some part of them. This is why different types of music can make you feel angry or happy or sad or whatever, not just because of lyrics or memories or associations with things, but also because different frequencies can push different buttons in your brain....just ask the CIA, they'll confirm it 😜😉
Just play some basic major and minor chords. Major chords make you feel generally happy and minor chords make you feel sad. They're just chords. No words. No memories. It's just they're certain frequencies creating different reactions and resonances within you.
For me, absolutely, it is certain frquencies, timbres and combinations of frequencies and timbres that push my buttons. Nothing to do with lyrics or memories or associations. Which may explain why I am so obsessed with sound and trying to design sounds. 😀
Great topic! Very interesting thread. 👍
Edit: reading this back to myself omg....who knows, it reads like I could even be on some certain type of spectrum where input from certain timbres and frequencies overwhelms me emotionally? All I know is I am obsessed with and very affected by sounds. I love it so much!
You think a minor chord is inherently sad and not because you've been programmed to think so through your history?
I think @markk may have an interesting point about cultural expectations of certain moods related to keys etcetera, and researchers at Durham University agree with him, up to a point:
https://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=43528
But I’m with @Spidericemidas on some raw, non verbal, non-intellectual power of music. And with Nikola Tesla:
“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
Or more specifically, certain frequencies. Since it is undeniably true that at the quantum level all of existence, of our conception of reality, is a matter of vibrations of things at various frequencies, and there is some evidence, according to Scientific American, that consciousness itself is a question of vibrations and frequencies:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-hippies-were-right-its-all-about-vibrations-man/
“…we agree that vibrations, resonance, are the key mechanism behind human consciousness, as well as animal consciousness more generally.”
Following from this I’m interested in such phenomena, for example, as the well known sub audible 19hz, so called ‘frequency of fear’, a component found both in large predator attack roars, and in supposedly ‘haunted’ locations:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/oct/16/science.farout?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
It is a moot point how quickly a child is enculturated into the expectations of ‘happy’ and ‘sad’ sounds and what part individual genetics play in this. However a parallel case in (other) animal behaviour suggests genetics may also play a part.
A startle test is used to select Alsatian puppies in the Metropolitan Police dog training centre at Keston, in which a tin tray is dropped near a litter to test their reaction to loud, unexpected and potentially frightening stimuli.
A certain proportion of each litter will respond with fear. These are rejected for further training. Some however respond with curiosity, approaching the source of the sound to find out what it was. These dogs are selected for further training. Same litter: very different individual reactions to sound.
In my own life, there is the case of Satie’s Gymnopedie No.1
which provokes a powerful, yet ineffable mood of sadness and beauty for me, and always has done, from my earliest recollections, (did I first hear it at school? On tv?) despite being brought up in a household with no exposure to classical music, or vocabulary to express anything about it. Simply: I heard it; and I was crying. And wondering: why does this (wordless, outside of my experience classical music) have this effect?
Ray Lynch does some pretty moving stuff that's a unique combination of electronic and Renaissance.
I could be wrong, but don’t recall ever being programmed or taught to think or react in a certain way to chords and music. Babies react in different ways to different music and sounds long before they can understand or be told anything about it or be told how they should feel about it. I seem to remember it as listening to music first, feeling certain emotions but never knowing why, then eventually reading and learning about music and finding out explanations such as minor chords generally producing a feeling of sadness or melancholy. When you play a major chord and then shift to its minor version, it sounds sad for some reason. You don’t need to be told first that that is the case. You feel it, you don’t think it. You can’t explain it. It just does. And all it is, is frequencies interacting with themselves and your own frequencies, resonating in some way.
This is what I believe. Music and sound is felt, not thought. Felt comes first. Thought comes after. I’ve always said, “I feel, therefore I am.” and not, “I think, therefore I am.” 😉 Your senses are based on perceiving and translating frequencies and vibrations. You feel everything first before you think anything about it. Feeling is a physical truth. Thought comes after and can be contaminated or influenced by past and present outside intervention.
I believe even the perception and creation of reality is a result of vibration, of energy, frequencies, resonance. Consciousness is energy, frequencies, vibration. Difficult to explain! 😅
@Svetlovska interesting! Satie Gymnopedie No.1 is in my collection for the same reason as yours.
I don't believe we decided first and then taught how a chord should be perceived. I believe we felt it first, as a physical response to certain frequencies when first discovering music and arrangements of notes, various chords and combinations of notes invoked the same certain feelings in us, and so then eventually we used those chords and combinations of notes accordingly when using music to describe certain things.
Obviously because of that, you could say it now occurs and is learnt/influenced by association. Sad songs generally employ minor chords, happy songs generally employ major chords. But it had to start somewhere. So certain types of chords were/are used for certain things because that's how they sound to us physically in the first place when perceiving/feeling them. It could seem a bit chicken and egg now, but I don't believe it is.
I always thought that no human has ever done or will ever do better than Mozart with the Lacrimosa in his Requiem to make other humans cry. I mean, he clearly took that title seriously.
But whatever it is that starts in this Skinny Puppy album at 35:55 (my first and only random click-in point) made me rethink my position. Tearful. 😶
Seriously though, the other piece that never fails with me is Lotti's Crucifixus. Considering I'm not religious, it must be the chromatics wot does it.
Special bit of music.
@Svetlovska Since my iPad always comes everywhere with me in a shoulder bag, I just did a little experiment with a work colleague.
She is totally uneducated in music. Knows nothing technical about it. Has a fairly limited taste, knowledge and exposure to all the various forms of music. She has some certain bands and things she likes to listen to, but she's definitely not interested in its technicalities. She does not play any instruments.
A perfect candidate for my experiment!
So I booted up a piano app and asked her to listen and simply tell me how she felt or was provoked by what she heard. How she would describe what she heard.
I simply played D Major followed by D Minor.
I did not tell her what I was playing.
She could not see what I was playing.
I did not tell her about this conversation.
I did not tell her why I was doing it, it was just, "I'm going to produce some sound, tell me what you feel about it".
Her response was that it became "duller" or "more negative" and "darker".
Since she did not know what I was playing, and could not see what I was playing, and was unaware of why I was conducting the experiment, she could only report back how she FELT, and not what she already knew.
Interesting experiment. “Darker”… Nigel Tufnell was clearly onto something.
When it comes to finishing songs folks in the past had a much easier job. The parameters of a composition in contemporary music were quite precise: verse, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo, middle eight etc.
With non- pop electronic music it somewhat went into the whatever works category which leaves the maker with an infinite freedom as well as an infinite number of decisions to make that can be so confusing.
For me, the composition part has shrunk and all I’m left with are parts that I use to create some kind of flow. I totally dig that freedom but it certainly requires some prep and discipline organising those parts.
I feel a red, warm, sticky fluid flowing out of my ears. I guess there is still hope for me.
Yeah. I turned my iPad up to 11 for the demonstration 🤣👍
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I often cry to music. Like all the time lol. even sometimes old punk songs i grew up on etc ( which is more likely just Subconsciously reliving old trauma from that period of my life) . I live my life through music, it acts as therapy, self expression, love , many different hats .