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From your lips to God's ears sir!
I’d just like to see what are the upper limits of modeled instruments on both iOS and desktop. How far can it be pushed?
Basically everything can be modeled.
The difficult part is to build a sufficiently authentic model that is good enough for most musicians to replace the original instrument without eating your CPU for lunch.
Talking about acoustic and electro-acoustic instruments, I've read a few patents about Yamaha's VL technology, Pianoteq's piano modeling, patents related to SampleModeling's brass models and a few others out of pure curiosity.
What's common to all of them is that an insane amount of effort in analyzing what makes the original tick and finding formulas that model different mechanisms of the original instrument has been put into development of the final product. Of course that somehow has to reflect in price too.
And that's the main reason IMHO why we see many sampled but only few authentically modeled instruments, even more so on a platform with a rather limited user base - most are still using desktop machines and more likely to pay premium cash.
I love Guitarism.
Virtual instrument does not mean modeled. They can be modeled or sampled.
Many virtual instruments are sampled. Many Kontakt libraries are called virtual instruments. They are all multi-sampled often with key-switches or clever logic to switch between multi samples.
If you know of ANY developers/"virtual instrument" software companies who have created a slide guitar capable of sounding like Yonac's Steel Guitar, let me know. I've never heard anyone create this effect via samples.
And Kontakt explicitly says in their "Kontakt Library" description:
"The hugely popular KONTAKT Factory library contains over 43GB of meticulously recorded samples, divided into seven categories, representing over 1,000 individual instruments. It spans everything from deep-sampled symphony instruments and world music sources to vintage drum machines and classic analog synths."
I can imagine wavetables to work for slide guitars if the pick transient is a static sample and the sliding is done using wavetable position and pitch modulation plus sliding noises.
I like the sound of Steel Guitar Pro in general.
When playing as intended with the slide functionality it sounds and seems like it must be modeled. The size of the app also seems to indicate modeling (relatively small for what is included I think).
When I play it with a midi controller and try to pitch bend though, I get the chipmunk thing happening I associate with sampling.
Curious to see the response from Yonac on this.
I actually don’t expect them to respond, unless they give a very generic response. As far as I’m concerned, whatever they’re doing is a major competitive advantage.
I enjoy playing with it for sure. Money well spent.
Just curious about how/why it reacts differently when played on the screen vs. an external controller.
You are misunderstanding what I was saying. I was stating the simple fact that "virtual instrument" does not mean modeled. Many virtual instruments are sample-based. That's all. It isn't a controversial statement.
I have no idea if the Yonac app is modeled or not. Its being called a virtual instrument does not tell you if it is modeled or not. That's all.
That’s why this particular sentence they chose indicates to me a modeled instrument or some sort of hybrid approach:
“Harnessing our longtime expertise in digital signal processing, virtual instrument design, and computerized musical technologies…”
Yonac software has responded with the following quote:
"It's a proprietary system that's a combination of both."
Source:
So, I sort of got it right as we discussed it more. I said “… indicates to me a modeled instrument or some sort of hybrid approach.”
=> Ha ha, that’s exactly what I thought of myself when reading this reply from Yonac 😂
So, sample-based for me with a very smart proprietary algorithm to bend the samples in a natural-sounding way.
Whatever on which side of the fence we sit whether it’s sampled or modeled, I think we all got the info we were looking for with this official statement. Everyone will see it his/her own way.