Most musical Synth randomizer

Gavinski

@audiblevideo said:
Crystal Synth XT < = best patch randomizer
DRC is good too

Hadn't even heard of Crystal!

Gavinski

@lukesleepwalker said:

@Gavinski said:

@amusing_Grace said:

@Gavinski said:
Enjoying all the feedback.... So we can definitely say synth randomisation is as much of an art form as actually just creating a synth. If it's purely random it will often create unmusical results. I'm very interested in what goes into the algos of those synths which mostly create very pleasing results. I love the Silver Jews song 'Random Rules'. But when it comes to synths with good randomising capabilities, they basically need to have rules before random 😂

Your mention of Silver Jews threw me right back to the early 90‘s. Oh the memories…
Thank you!

Oh man, don't even talk to me about the Purple Mountains album.... 'Nights that won't happen'...

That song is so chilling, it’s like burning your retinas staring into the void. I much prefer “Snow is falling in Manhattan”. The verse snuck in the middle about songwriters creating rooms for listeners to live in is absolutely sublime:

“Songs build little rooms in time
And housed within the song's design
Is the ghost the host has left behind
To greet and sweep the guest inside
Stoke the fire and sing his lines”

Tip of the hat, Mr Berman. I smile every time I listen.

I love that song. And that is some genius writing. I'm sure this album is a very hard listen for those who knew him personally, especially his ex.

lukesleepwalker

@Gavinski said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

@Gavinski said:

@amusing_Grace said:

@Gavinski said:
Enjoying all the feedback.... So we can definitely say synth randomisation is as much of an art form as actually just creating a synth. If it's purely random it will often create unmusical results. I'm very interested in what goes into the algos of those synths which mostly create very pleasing results. I love the Silver Jews song 'Random Rules'. But when it comes to synths with good randomising capabilities, they basically need to have rules before random 😂

Your mention of Silver Jews threw me right back to the early 90‘s. Oh the memories…
Thank you!

Oh man, don't even talk to me about the Purple Mountains album.... 'Nights that won't happen'...

That song is so chilling, it’s like burning your retinas staring into the void. I much prefer “Snow is falling in Manhattan”. The verse snuck in the middle about songwriters creating rooms for listeners to live in is absolutely sublime:

“Songs build little rooms in time
And housed within the song's design
Is the ghost the host has left behind
To greet and sweep the guest inside
Stoke the fire and sing his lines”

Tip of the hat, Mr Berman. I smile every time I listen.

I love that song. And that is some genius writing. I'm sure this album is a very hard listen for those who knew him personally, especially his ex.

I don’t think I could listen if I knew him personally.

Gavinski

@Gavinski said:

@audiblevideo said:
Crystal Synth XT < = best patch randomizer
DRC is good too

Hadn't even heard of Crystal!

This is not auv3 yes?

Gavinski

@lukesleepwalker said:

@Gavinski said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

@Gavinski said:

@amusing_Grace said:

@Gavinski said:
Enjoying all the feedback.... So we can definitely say synth randomisation is as much of an art form as actually just creating a synth. If it's purely random it will often create unmusical results. I'm very interested in what goes into the algos of those synths which mostly create very pleasing results. I love the Silver Jews song 'Random Rules'. But when it comes to synths with good randomising capabilities, they basically need to have rules before random 😂

Your mention of Silver Jews threw me right back to the early 90‘s. Oh the memories…
Thank you!

Oh man, don't even talk to me about the Purple Mountains album.... 'Nights that won't happen'...

That song is so chilling, it’s like burning your retinas staring into the void. I much prefer “Snow is falling in Manhattan”. The verse snuck in the middle about songwriters creating rooms for listeners to live in is absolutely sublime:

“Songs build little rooms in time
And housed within the song's design
Is the ghost the host has left behind
To greet and sweep the guest inside
Stoke the fire and sing his lines”

Tip of the hat, Mr Berman. I smile every time I listen.

I love that song. And that is some genius writing. I'm sure this album is a very hard listen for those who knew him personally, especially his ex.

I don’t think I could listen if I knew him personally.

Definitely. It also diminishes a little my respect for him. The Purple Mountains album was sublime but extremely vicious. That said, he was definitely in a bad place, I try not to judge too much.

senhorlampada

@Gavinski said:

@Gavinski said:

@audiblevideo said:
Crystal Synth XT < = best patch randomizer
DRC is good too

Hadn't even heard of Crystal!

This is not auv3 yes?

Nope. It's old as hell
It has IAA and Audiobus compatibility
Released on 2010 if i'm not wrong. Last update was 2017

Gavinski

@senhorlampada said:

@Gavinski said:

@Gavinski said:

@audiblevideo said:
Crystal Synth XT < = best patch randomizer
DRC is good too

Hadn't even heard of Crystal!

This is not auv3 yes?

Nope. It's old as hell
It has IAA and Audiobus compatibility
Released on 2010 if i'm not wrong. Last update was 2017

I'll pass in that case, no matter how good the randomizer is lol

drewinnit

There are so many synths mentioned here that I didn't even realise had a randomiser function!

Be careful with the ID700 randomiser, keep the volume low before previewing the new patch.

senhorlampada

Btw, I love the randomizer Matt Fletcher did in 2015 with TB Midi for Gadget (and always talk about it).

Sometimes the results are really wonky. But dude did an amazing work with that. Guess any app with exposed parameters could be randomized with something like TB or Mozaic, Streambyter, etc.

senhorlampada

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/9303/randomise-korg-gadget-synths-free-tb-midi-stuff-page

For anyone who has TB and gadget and would like to try

Grandbear

@Philippe said:
Drambo has a randomize function in track menu and racks menu.
I lately found myself creating synths for randomization purpose and it’s quite inspiring. I put a flexi sampler after them, hit record and hit repeatedly randomize + note until flexis recording limit is reached, I slice and BAM! A unique synth drum, and harmonized if you want to.

Since exposed parameters of Audio units can be mapped in Drambo, any AUv3 with exposed parameters can be randomized, and it takes a few seconds to do.

Great stuff!

Is this a new feature?

drewinnit

@cramdog said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Moog Model D

I was very surprised as I did not know this. Thanks for telling us. (Or was I the only one who didn't know about it?)
I tried it and if I am not mistaken, it has the feature to automatically generate patch names just like Animoog Z.

Where have they hidden this feature in Model D? Can’t seem to find it....

Grandbear

@drewinnit said:

@cramdog said:

@Poppadocrock said:
Moog Model D

I was very surprised as I did not know this. Thanks for telling us. (Or was I the only one who didn't know about it?)
I tried it and if I am not mistaken, it has the feature to automatically generate patch names just like Animoog Z.

Where have they hidden this feature in Model D? Can’t seem to find it....

In the presets list:

jsmonzani

@Philippe said:
Drambo has a randomize function in track menu and racks menu.

Could you please show us where it is? I’ve looked for it but didn’t find it. Thank you!!

Angie

Korg iWavestation has a random patch generator, good for very musical “bag of spanners thrown down a flight of stairs” patches.

iamspoon

@Angie said:
Korg iWavestation has a random patch generator, good for very musical “bag of spanners thrown down a flight of stairs” patches.

Perfect description

The intensity of Spanner/Stairs can be tweaked with a long press.

Gavinski

@Angie said:
Korg iWavestation has a random patch generator, good for very musical “bag of spanners thrown down a flight of stairs” patches.

Haha, sounds like a candidate for a face-off with Krill and the Bleass randomisers then 🤨

Masanga

Syntorial 2.0 is going to have an ear-training randomiser where all lessons are infinitely extensible with intelligently generated patches you then recreate using just the controls unlocked at that level. Q1 2023, but limited-window free update promised to 1.x owners; if you don't have it yet, wait for the Black Friday sale, which is usually around 40% off, and if the creaky 10-year-old interface puts you off then you can just wait for v2 to drop.

tahiche

@Gavinski said:

@amusing_Grace said:

@Gavinski said:
Enjoying all the feedback.... So we can definitely say synth randomisation is as much of an art form as actually just creating a synth. If it's purely random it will often create unmusical results. I'm very interested in what goes into the algos of those synths which mostly create very pleasing results. I love the Silver Jews song 'Random Rules'. But when it comes to synths with good randomising capabilities, they basically need to have rules before random 😂

Your mention of Silver Jews threw me right back to the early 90‘s. Oh the memories…
Thank you!

Oh man, don't even talk to me about the Purple Mountains album.... 'Nights that won't happen'...

Very happily distracted by Silver Jews 🤟 Great random encounters!

ChimmyChungaFace

Anyone know what the Autonomy slider in Magellan's Spawn feature does exactly?

Gavinski

@tahiche said:

@Gavinski said:

@amusing_Grace said:

@Gavinski said:
Enjoying all the feedback.... So we can definitely say synth randomisation is as much of an art form as actually just creating a synth. If it's purely random it will often create unmusical results. I'm very interested in what goes into the algos of those synths which mostly create very pleasing results. I love the Silver Jews song 'Random Rules'. But when it comes to synths with good randomising capabilities, they basically need to have rules before random 😂

Your mention of Silver Jews threw me right back to the early 90‘s. Oh the memories…
Thank you!

Oh man, don't even talk to me about the Purple Mountains album.... 'Nights that won't happen'...

Very happily distracted by Silver Jews 🤟 Great random encounters!

Definitely!

Poppadocrock

@Gavinski said:

@Angie said:
Korg iWavestation has a random patch generator, good for very musical “bag of spanners thrown down a flight of stairs” patches.

Haha, sounds like a candidate for a face-off with Krill and the Bleass randomisers then 🤨

Krill has one, I did not know that, I don’t have it, but doesn’t that app have limited patch save spaces, or am I mistaken?

Poppadocrock

@ChimmyChungaFace said:
Anyone know what the Autonomy slider in Magellan's Spawn feature does exactly?

I have no idea. Magellan 1 or 2 or both? Might have to check the manual if it’s in there…

Poppadocrock

@ChimmyChungaFace said:
Anyone know what the Autonomy slider in Magellan's Spawn feature does exactly?

Here’s the manual for Magellan 2
Page 27-30

Autonomy is defined as self government or independence or freedom.

Here are the screenshots although I’m still not exactly sure…

Update - I think I know. Variation is based off what the synth parameter is set at, so it randomizes relative to the current settings, where Autonomy means it randomizes independently of any current settings. I think, lol.

NeuM

Most musical randomizer? Definitely Flowtones. The ability to dial up or down settings on the randomizer is everything.

ChimmyChungaFace

@Poppadocrock said:

@ChimmyChungaFace said:
Anyone know what the Autonomy slider in Magellan's Spawn feature does exactly?

Update - I think I know. Variation is based off what the synth parameter is set at, so it randomizes relative to the current settings, where Autonomy means it randomizes independently of any current settings. I think, lol.

Yeah I’m guessing they are two different algorithms, Variation being totally random, and Autonomy having some sort of AI that tries to offer an “intelligent” variation.

Frank303

@jsmonzani said:

@Philippe said:
Drambo has a randomize function in track menu and racks menu.

Could you please show us where it is? I’ve looked for it but didn’t find it. Thank you!!

Anyone found this one already 🤔

Gavinski

@Poppadocrock said:

@Gavinski said:

@Angie said:
Korg iWavestation has a random patch generator, good for very musical “bag of spanners thrown down a flight of stairs” patches.

Haha, sounds like a candidate for a face-off with Krill and the Bleass randomisers then 🤨

Krill has one, I did not know that, I don’t have it, but doesn’t that app have limited patch save spaces, or am I mistaken?

Yes, plus the randomizer is pretty awful

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cramdog

This post was spaghetti coded with many edits, so I rewrote it and posted it anew on page 3 of this thread.
I don’t remove this post because there is an apology in the text for the misinformation. So I used the spoiler feature.

(EDITED)
I was mistaken about Case 3. My apologies. I have corrected that part.
If there are any other mistakes, I would appreciate it if you could point them out to me.
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If you load a synthesizer app into Drambo and use Drambo's randomize feature, you may be able to automatically generate presets for the synthesizer app with a simple tap. (This was already mentioned by Philippe on page 1 of this thread.)

The purpose of this post is to tell Drambo users who don't know how to do this. I don't read the main thread of any host app very often. So I wrote this post for users like me who rely on presets and prefer the randomize feature.

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How to do randomization

Load a standalone Drambo.
Tap the hamburger icon.
Tap NEW, then tap Instrument.
Tap ➕, then tap Audio Unit instrument under Device under Generator.
Select the synth app of your choice. (As described below, some synth apps cannot be randomized.)

Tap the synth icon displayed on the loaded module.
Tap the MAP button and put a check mark on the parameter you want.
Then the knobs corresponding to that parameters will appear on the module.

Tap the 3✖️4 grid icon on the top bar to bring up the step sequencer.
The pattern with the track number where the AUv3 synth app is loaded is on the left side of the screen. Tap it once or twice.
Tap Randomize on the menu that appears.
This will randomize the knobs of the loaded module of the aforementioned synth app. (The knobs of other modules on the same track will also be randomized.)

(EDITED)
Randomize feature is also available on Rack editor screen. (This was already mentioned by Philippe on page 1 of this thread.)
In other words, you can use Randomize feature without using the "3✖️4 grid icon" (= MULTI-TRACK STEP SEQUENCER) mentioned above.

Load a standalone Drambo.
Tap the hamburger icon.
Tap NEW, then tap 8 tracks (Rack instruments).
Then, a blue module(?) named "1" appears.

(a)
Tap the blue background "1" area of this module to use Randomize feature.
or,

(b)
Tap on the main clip (main track?), then 8 colored modules(?) will appear.
Randomize feature can be used in this colorful screen as well.

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However, since randomized parameters probably cannot be restored to their original(?) values with Undo feature, so it is better to save the file and then use Randomize feature.

(I may be using Drambo's terminology incorrectly. If so, I’m sorry.)
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@Grandbear @jsmonzani @Frank303
You may already know the above information. But I name tagged you just in case. You do not have to reply to this post of mine. This post is not directed at any individual(?).

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Additional Information
When randomizing a synth app with Drambo, the results (or the process?) can be divided into three cases.
Roughly speaking, there are two cases: possible and not possible.
Cases 1 and 2 are possible to randomize.
Case 3 is not randomizable.
(My purpose is to write how to use the randomize feature. I’m not so interested in finding out which synths are randomizable. Therefore, you do not need to read the following. You will understand more if you actually use the randomize feature.)

Case 1
Example: Zeeon, Bass 808
You can save a preset of a synth (AUv3) created with Drambo's randomize feature and use that preset in another host app or standalone.

Case 2
Example: SynthMaster2
(For me, this is hard to put in writing.)
When a knob on a module is manipulated, the GUI for the value of the knob on the synth does not move.
However, the parameters corresponding to the knobs, i.e., the sound, actually change.
Perhaps, as in Case 1, users can save their randomized presets and take them outside of Drambo.
When used as a standalone or as a guest app within another host app, it seems to me that the GUI for the synth knobs, which were not accurate for the sound when saved within Drambo, seems to have changed to the correct values for the knobs when loaded.
So saving and loading presets worked fine.
But I only tested three times with SM2, changing only the volume of the Init preset.
So it is possible that I misunderstood something about this case 2.

Case 3
Example: OB-XD
I could not use Drambo's randomize function for a synth (AUv3).

(EDITED)
All humanity can use Drambo's randomize feature for OB-XD.
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When MAP is tapped and multiple check marks are placed on parameters, the knob does not appear. So the value does not increase from (0).

(EDITED)
After tapping MAP, a knob appears on the module when you operate the OB-XD app knob.
I apologize.
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