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thesoundtestroom video for Gliderverb
Not just another reverb, this is very capable of creating super ambient, very soothing and chilled to almost unlistenable, clever stuff
http://www.thesoundtestroom.com
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Thanks, Doug but no matter how good GliderVerb may be, I won't look at it until AudioBus support is no longer restricted to an in-app purchase. I'm surprised @Sebastian hasn't jumped all over that yet.
@Washboy said:
I agree with the try before you buy model.
I think this is no different than a demo.
@DaveMagoo said:
I also agree with the try before you buy model but this is different to a demo. It's an audio FX app but the only way to get audio in (AFAICS) is to buy the IAP. There are other ways to limit the overall or continued usefulness of an app, for demo purchases.
My understanding of AB's SDK Ts&Cs is that AB support must not be charged for. I don't care that IAA support or mic input support is via an IAP. My point is that AB support should be free. As I said earlier, there are other ways to cripple a demo app.
Mixed messages from the AudioBus team (Audiobus Pty. Ltd,), it would seem. The AB SDK license says:
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but GliderVerb is currently advertised in AB's "Compatible Apps" list.
I guess @Sebastian and @Michael must have changed their stance on IAP charging for AB. Their prerogative, I guess! I'll get me coat
@Washboy said:
Negative, we did not change our stance on this. It just slipped through.
From my point of view all I am doing is demoing the app, I had to purchase the IAP to show the app working in Audiobus, I agree AB implementation should be free, since that is Sebastians and Michaels wish and also since the tools for doing this are free.
I like the app, I like all their apps, i dont really understand the thinking behind the free version as I believe it would have sold anyway, its an original and interesting effect.
I think we will probably see an update soon giving AB free, either that or the free demo status will be removed and it will become a payed app.
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I agree with @thesoundtestroom that their pricing via IAP was strange and their Audiobus implementation sketchy. Perhaps they thought they could expand their market by getting new people to try the app by making the sample only version free?
@Sebastian said:
Thanks for the clarification and pleased to hear things haven't changed, in that respect.
In the end I had to download GliderVerb in order to make sure I had not jumped to any wrong conclusions. In fact I had and I ought to set the record straight.
It is possible to demo/audition the app without microphone, AB or IAA, by importing audio files via Dropbox, iPod Library, ACP, 'Open In...' or (presumably) iTunes/iFunBox.
GliderVerb appears to be a well crafted, intriguing, creative and fun app that is worth the price of the IAP. If they release a "Pro" or "Live" paid version, I'll gladly purchase.
My only remaining niggle is with the UI. Is tiny brown text on a grey/black background really ergonomic? It must be next to unusable on an iPad Mini. Admittedly, the text colour of the knobs' labels can be changed to a handful of preset colours but many of the other UI labels seem to be fixed as brown. Have I missed some configuration setting somewhere? I can't read most of the labels and values without a) turning my screen brightness to max and, b) borrowing a pair of reading spectacles. I don't need to do this with any other app.
@thesoundtestroom: I'm not having a go at you, Doug. Your vids are great! Ta muchly!
Hm, usually I am the 1st one who complains about colors I can't read.
No problems here with this one, on mini retina
I am colorblind and I need to wear glasses.
Maybe your eye sight isn't as good as you think?
It gets my Charles Atlas seal of approval, great UI
@Washboy I know it wasn't a go at me, I was just saying that all I was doing was demoing the app, definitely not supporting their pricing policy, which personally I think is a bit odd since I think it would have sold anyway and avoided any controversy surrounding the fact that at present AB support is most certainly only available as an IAP
IAP in GliderVerb open the Live input, but you can use it in Audiobus Input slot with some samples inside, you need to buy the IAP only if you want to use as filter.
Yes, I had no probs using it with AB as an input before I bought the IAP.
To be fair though most people will want to use thus as an effect, and apart from that all Audiobus intergration should be available at no extra cost
@lala said:
lol - My eyesight certainly isn't what it used to be but it's fine with other apps and that's my point. I think the problem arises because I keep my screen brightness reduced to maximise battery life. My complaint is not so much about the colour choice. It's about the lack of contrast. For example, compare the knob label "Diffusion" (bottom right of screen) with the button label "Randomize" (at the top of the same panel). The latter is much less legible because brown on grey has less contrast than brown on black. Just as grey on white is less legible than black on white.
I agree it's pretty but iOSv7 stylee, it ain't!
EDIT: I should add that I'm no great fan of the iOSv7 UI style.
@Sinapsya said:
Are you sure about this? My experience is that GliderVerb will open in AB's Input, Effects and Output slots, even without the IAP - but that only provides transport control via AB.
Used in the Input slot, GV doesn't output audio to AB, so AB effects and outputs are ignored. Audio output is direct to iOS default audio out. In the Effects slot GV ignores AB input and outputs only to iOS default output. In Output slot it ignores AB input.
The usual caveat applies, i.e. I may have overlooked something obvious
I have the fixed version in front of me, it will be in the store soon
Audiobus preset 'Sunrizer Gliderverb': http://preset.audiob.us/lrBl1Sa05mWQcgE
and it rocks! Just wiggle the ipad a little ...
It saves all your controller assignments
Btw. u can get your own colors for text by double tapping on the knob
@Washboy said:
So you are saying you CAN open it in AB without the IAP, it just doesn't do anything that it wouldn't do without AB.
In what way is this not charging for being able to use it with AB?
It's simple, the demo with the sampler is free.
If u want to get your hands and ears really dirty u'll have to buy it ...
This is not about taking cash for audiobus, it's about giving out a free demo so u can test it to see if u like it
It's simple. If you cannot use the app as an effect in AB, or pass its output to an effect in AB, or record its output into a recording app in AB, without making an IAP, then they are charging for using AB.
C'mon, do you realize you are complaining about politics over a free app?
wait for the update and see ...
he could just make it no free demo, how do u like that?
Don't be so dogmatic ...
It's all about perception isn't it?
He could have released two apps, a free GV lite and a paid GV pro, the latter with advanced options including AB.
GV pro could have gone into the AB compatibility list, the lite version not. Personally, I would have preferred this, it's a bit clearer.
Meh
It seems like there's partial Audiobus functionality in the free version of the app as you can use it in the input slot. To get effect slot functionality you need the IAP.
I've had apps where the free version will have some sort of timeout feature where you get a message interrupting your audio or it stops after a certain amount of time.
Theoretically, you could have three apps.
The above scheme seems pretty confusing for people and I could see it leading to bad reviews.
I think having full free Audiobus support for an app is very important for its continued development as users need to be able to have full confidence that when they get an app with Audiobus support that it has full Audiobus support and that there's not some hidden IAP cost for getting Audiobus. I don't think it's unreasonable for developers to adhere to having no IAP for Audiobus functionality when they agree to use the free Audiobus SDK as the users need to know what to expect when an app has Audiobus support versus when it doesn't. If user's start to question what it really means when an app says it has Audiobus support, it will undermine the work that has gone into creating Audiobus and will erode the value of having Audiobus support in an app for all apps that support Audiobus.
If sufficient people are requesting Audiobus support for an app, I think developers would be wise to take this into account.
The free version will in the future give u an audio nag message
So u 'll get ab 4 free, it just gives you an buy me message every few sec., so u can test drive it properly.
Its a stunning application, that at the very least transforms the sound source to that of a church bell. I bought without regret, particularly for the use of finger picked classical guitar through irighd and oyster transducer mic. And all that's before you start jazzing about with tonestack, bias, jam-up and the beat section. Big Wow !!!. Thx AmazingNoises!
Personally, I feel like both sides of this argument are a bit off: The developer should have just charged up front and not tried the IAP-route, and I don't think the detractors of the IAP would be complaining. On the other hand, the detractors of the IAP are too hung up on the Audiobus functionality side of it to see that this app absolutely earned its IAP price for full use.
This will most likely work out as a teething problem/lesson for devs in the future.
I just bought the IAP, after reading this thread with all the complaints (in either direction) and remembering all those hours of great enjoyment this developer already has given me with his Apps I just had to do it. No complaints here. Maybe I'm just much too easy-ly satisfied. Now off to glidery joy... Cheers!
@Paulinko said:
I hereby give this week's imaginary Voice of Reason certificate to Dr. Paulinko.
Shame most posts are about pricing rather than app. I'm happy for dev to try different things. I bought it cause I'm going to get £5 worth out of it, in fact I probably have done already.