Unfiltered Audio Tails Public Beta

supadom

@trickyflemming said:

@supadom said:

@cokomairena said:

@trickyflemming said:
Now that color theming and resizing is stable in the other four betas, we're happy to release the last of the current batch of public betas (Don't worry! We'll definitely make more.)

This one is Tails, our reverb collaboration with the amazing BT.

https://testflight.apple.com/join/VsAu5Woz

Tails is a dual-tanked reverb with novel tank-swapping and ducking capabilities. The general idea is that Tails can auto-swap between two reverb tanks (on major transient or spectral changes). With tank swapping and transient ducking, you can keep unwanted transients or dissonant blue notes out of your reverb tails so that your reverb stays consonant and free of metallic noises.

Like Silo, Tails has some novel MIDI features. You can read about those in the manual: https://files.plugin-alliance.com/products/unfiltered_audio_tails/unfiltered_audio_tails_manual.pdf

all your plugins are giving me a lot of latency inside drambo, to the point that they unsync with the bypassed signal:

This happen with all your plugins and makes them unusable for me, never had this issue before

I was just about to report this exact issue. The latency is off by a mile.

Thanks for the reports! Sitting down with my Monday morning coffee and catching up on weekend feedback.

The latency reporting seems like it might be a Drambo bug. I'll contact the developer. We're using JUCE's latency reporting, and it's working with my testing in AUM. It is also working properly on the desktop builds.

I'm going to look into native preset management, since a lot of you are requesting that.

Edit: Just sent an email to @giku_beepstreet. I'll post an update once I figure out what's happening on Drambo.

The latency issue is also present in AUM with Koala AUV3 as sound source.

Just checked

iPad Pro 10.5 iOS 15.6.1

ohwell

This is the latency I’m getting in AUM with (gain and) Tails as the only thing between the mic and the output. I think 100ms is the same amount of extra latency as I get with tails in Bitwig on Mac OS, FWIW. (Hence my question about whether a no latency mode could be added as an option.)

Other note. Sometimes I seem to get no latency reported by Tails in AUM (don’t know if it’s an issue in AUM’s side), but I can still hear it.

Grandbear

I think I'm seeing less latency in AUM if I switch the buffer size, regardless of which value. Wasn't there an issue in iOS 16 with setting buffer size and sample rate?

In Drambo I don't see the same behavior though, which may be related to Drambo not having plugin delay compensation.

RockySmalls

@trickyflemming said:

@supadom said:

@cokomairena said:

@trickyflemming said:
Now that color theming and resizing is stable in the other four betas, we're happy to release the last of the current batch of public betas (Don't worry! We'll definitely make more.)

This one is Tails, our reverb collaboration with the amazing BT.

https://testflight.apple.com/join/VsAu5Woz

Tails is a dual-tanked reverb with novel tank-swapping and ducking capabilities. The general idea is that Tails can auto-swap between two reverb tanks (on major transient or spectral changes). With tank swapping and transient ducking, you can keep unwanted transients or dissonant blue notes out of your reverb tails so that your reverb stays consonant and free of metallic noises.

Like Silo, Tails has some novel MIDI features. You can read about those in the manual: https://files.plugin-alliance.com/products/unfiltered_audio_tails/unfiltered_audio_tails_manual.pdf

all your plugins are giving me a lot of latency inside drambo, to the point that they unsync with the bypassed signal:

This happen with all your plugins and makes them unusable for me, never had this issue before

I was just about to report this exact issue. The latency is off by a mile.

Thanks for the reports! Sitting down with my Monday morning coffee and catching up on weekend feedback.

The latency reporting seems like it might be a Drambo bug. I'll contact the developer. We're using JUCE's latency reporting, and it's working with my testing in AUM. It is also working properly on the desktop builds.

I'm going to look into native preset management, since a lot of you are requesting that.

Edit: Just sent an email to @giku_beepstreet. I'll post an update once I figure out what's happening on Drambo.

hello, i’m very much enjoying Lo-FI-AF, Tails & Silo particularly . the other two i like as well , I’m not noticing any latency problems , or indeed any apparent bugs .. but i am using them (up to now) mainly in Apematrix.
I will definitely purchase the first 3 on arrival , possibly all 5 if there would be a bundle price? is that probable?
my 2nd question.. after looking at yr website , is it possible SPECops & Triad might make it to ios ?
possibly you can’t say until sales/profit from these first 5 is seen BUT perhaps you could indicate if there is ipad processing or ios coding limitations that might preclude such a thing happening especially for the spectral one?
all very exciting anyway, a sincere welcome to ios to you from these quarters.

trickyflemming

Yep! Heard back from Jacek. Drambo doesn't have latency compensation yet, but it's in the works.

AUM has latency compensation. You might need to hit Stop on the transport to activate it. Every DAW with compensation has its own method for calling it. Sometimes on transport update, sometimes instantaneously.

@RockySmalls Yes ultimately we want to do SpecOps, Triad, etc. Right now the interfaces kind of suck for touch-based workflows. We've been working on an updated modulation and effect system that is more touch-friendly, but no timeline on that.

RockySmalls

@trickyflemming said:
Yep! Heard back from Jacek. Drambo doesn't have latency compensation yet, but it's in the works.

AUM has latency compensation. You might need to hit Stop on the transport to activate it. Every DAW with compensation has its own method for calling it. Sometimes on transport update, sometimes instantaneously.

@RockySmalls Yes ultimately we want to do SpecOps, Triad, etc. Right now the interfaces kind of suck for touch-based workflows. We've been working on an updated modulation and effect system that is more touch-friendly, but no timeline on that.

thanks for the info... keep on keeping on.

oat_phipps

My god, Tails and Silo are two of the best-sounding things I’ve ever heard. These blow away anything else on iOS to date

hibjshop

Unfiltered Audio porting to ios is tremendous🙌🏻 Very excited for official release!

amusesmile

@oat_phipps said:
My god, Tails and Silo are two of the best-sounding things I’ve ever heard. These blow away anything else on iOS to date

Thanks for making my day. Cheers.

trickyflemming

@j_liljedahl said:

@Gavinski said:
Still no internal aum presets, I notice - don't forget also to contact the dev @j_liljedahl if u need help with the code for allowing the user the choice to use aum internal preset menu to save to your apps' internal preset menus!

There it’s nothing special needed in the plugin to support that, except the basic state saving. And if it does not have that, it won’t save its state in the host projects either.

You were right! It wasn’t difficult. I just posted a new Tails build with native preset management. If it works well I’ll update the others tomorrow.

oat_phipps

@amusesmile said:

@oat_phipps said:
My god, Tails and Silo are two of the best-sounding things I’ve ever heard. These blow away anything else on iOS to date

Thanks for making my day. Cheers.

I don’t say it lightly, either. I’m sorta the town grump because most everyone is so unbearably positive here.

These are seriously incredible. These have turned me back on to creative, wild reverbs instead of just using a dash of Fabfilter’s Pro-R more as a tool as needed rather than an “effect”. But even when tame (the reverb section alone of Silo is worth the entry), they still are the topmost of the top-notch.

ChrisG

I didn’t know Unfiltered Audio are on iOS now, got most plugins via PA. Love them all!! Does this mean we might see Byome, Lion, Sandman Pro?:-)

trickyflemming

I'm going to bump each public beta thread, as every existing Unfiltered Audio iOS app should be updated on Testflight. Let me know if any of them are unavailable. Each build has the following changes:

• Added a method to export all User Presets as a .zip file.
• Added a method to import .uap files or a .zip file. The .zip file will be extracted to the User Presets folder.

1ktone

..I’ll give it a run on a few favourites

RetroNewb

@trickyflemming
Longstanding minor bug on both desktop & IPadOs , doubleclicking/tapping “Speed” to type value from keyboard
always reverts to “1.000s” after pushing ENTER . All other values seem to behave correctly .

edit BTW I notice the company name of the plugins has been changed to UA Tails etc for IPadOS,
maybe others before me complained that the full moniker “Unfiltered Audio…”. was too long to
read the actual device name “SandmanPro” or “Tails”, at least in Ableton devices.
Any chance they could be changed to “UA” for desktop also ?

KMTGN

https://forum.loopypro.com/profile/trickyflemming
I love and use all your plugins a lot! This is true. Silo inspires me and could be the idea for the whole track, Needlepoint - I love its compressors and use it all the time If it's not a secret, tell me WHY BT? I associate your products with independent music, your plug-ins are reviewed by fucking Richard Devine. This is so strange to me, I can’t understand

Luxthor

@KMTGN said:
https://forum.loopypro.com/profile/trickyflemming
I love and use all your plugins a lot! This is true. Silo inspires me and could be the idea for the whole track, Needlepoint - I love its compressors and use it all the time If it's not a secret, tell me WHY BT? I associate your products with independent music, your plug-ins are reviewed by fucking Richard Devine. This is so strange to me, I can’t understand

Great, 🤦‍♂️ now I need to spend all day experimenting with Needlepoint compressors, which I had never seriously detected before. In a weird way, thank you for mentioning this.

KMTGN

@Luxthor said:

@KMTGN said:
https://forum.loopypro.com/profile/trickyflemming
I love and use all your plugins a lot! This is true. Silo inspires me and could be the idea for the whole track, Needlepoint - I love its compressors and use it all the time If it's not a secret, tell me WHY BT? I associate your products with independent music, your plug-ins are reviewed by fucking Richard Devine. This is so strange to me, I can’t understand

Great, 🤦‍♂️ now I need to spend all day experimenting with Needlepoint compressors, which I had never seriously detected before. In a weird way, thank you for mentioning this.

Yeah man, this is very cool! Each of them has its own character and sounds great. I love how "Press" squeezes all the dirt out of drum loops or field recordings

amusesmile

@Luxthor said:

@KMTGN said:
https://forum.loopypro.com/profile/trickyflemming
I love and use all your plugins a lot! This is true. Silo inspires me and could be the idea for the whole track, Needlepoint - I love its compressors and use it all the time If it's not a secret, tell me WHY BT? I associate your products with independent music, your plug-ins are reviewed by fucking Richard Devine. This is so strange to me, I can’t understand

Great, 🤦‍♂️ now I need to spend all day experimenting with Needlepoint compressors, which I had never seriously detected before. In a weird way, thank you for mentioning this.

There was a lot of thought put into each. My favorite comment from youtube lately was this one from a user:

'"Easy SP" preset under 2.Hotter is just an amazing preset for mastering in my opinion. Nothing more needed.' -@Spacerboy

That one's made to mimic the OG SP-404 Vinyl Sim Compressor. Not modeled precisely or anything- just directional. I think I did it by ear from recording a few different settings then finding what matched it ~95% on each to my ear/brain. Love that box. Bought mine on the street in NYC via craiglist ~2014. Needlepoint development was kind of a collection of similar episodes and strange obsessions. Cheers all.

amusesmile

@KMTGN said:
https://forum.loopypro.com/profile/trickyflemming
I love and use all your plugins a lot! This is true. Silo inspires me and could be the idea for the whole track, Needlepoint - I love its compressors and use it all the time If it's not a secret, tell me WHY BT? I associate your products with independent music, your plug-ins are reviewed by fucking Richard Devine. This is so strange to me, I can’t understand

BT's an OG. Honored we get to work so closely with him- still magic for me when I zoom out on the life trajectory scope. He throws ideas at us regularly that are off the wall smart so pleasure getting to back and forth creatively.

Thanks for the love on Silo/Needlepoint.

cramdog

@RetroNewb said:
@trickyflemming
Longstanding minor bug on both desktop & IPadOs , doubleclicking/tapping “Speed” to type value from keyboard
always reverts to “1.000s” after pushing ENTER . All other values seem to behave correctly .

edit BTW I notice the company name of the plugins has been changed to UA Tails etc for IPadOS,
maybe others before me complained that the full moniker “Unfiltered Audio…”. was too long to
read the actual device name “SandmanPro” or “Tails”, at least in Ableton devices.
Any chance they could be changed to “UA” for desktop also ?

Hi, @RetroNewb. I tested the issue you reported.
In my case, if I enter 0.365 in SPEED in Tails with a virtual QWERTY keyboard on iPadOS v16.7.2, it shows 365 ms. From this result, I surmised that you might have entered 3.65 or 365 in a similar case, so it might have shown up as 1.000 s. (Sorry if this information does not solve the issue.)

RetroNewb

@cramdog said:

@RetroNewb said:
@trickyflemming
Longstanding minor bug on both desktop & IPadOs , doubleclicking/tapping “Speed” to type value from keyboard
always reverts to “1.000s” after pushing ENTER . All other values seem to behave correctly .

edit BTW I notice the company name of the plugins has been changed to UA Tails etc for IPadOS,
maybe others before me complained that the full moniker “Unfiltered Audio…”. was too long to
read the actual device name “SandmanPro” or “Tails”, at least in Ableton devices.
Any chance they could be changed to “UA” for desktop also ?

Hi, @RetroNewb. I tested the issue you reported.
In my case, if I enter 0.365 in SPEED in Tails with a virtual QWERTY keyboard on iPadOS v16.7.2, it shows 365 ms. From this result, I surmised that you might have entered 3.65 or 365 in a similar case, so it might have shown up as 1.000 s. (Sorry if this information does not solve the issue.)

OOPS , & thank you . Yes, your deduction is correct , I have been trying to enter straight ms values ,
trying now with 0.xx works correctly .
Sorry to all involved , I shall go stand facing the wall for an hour .

trickyflemming

@RetroNewb Nah, no reason to be ashamed. We should probably have it be smarter, like if the number is larger than some threshold, it should be milliseconds.

RetroNewb

@trickyflemming thanks , any possibility of my desktop renaming request above , whilst you’re around

trickyflemming

@RetroNewb said:
@trickyflemming thanks , any possibility of my desktop renaming request above , whilst you’re around

Unfortunately, PA requires us to put the company name before it. They let us shrink "Louder Than Liftoff" to "LTL" on the Silver Bullet, but that's because "LTL" isn't taken by another audio company much larger than us hahah. "UA" on the other hand...

EDIT: Additionally at this point, some DAWs use the full plugin name and not an identifier to load the plugin, especially for VST2. For certain DAWs, changing the name of the plugin will unfortunately break old projects.

RetroNewb

@trickyflemming

seems having a sidechain makes device name longer , you couldn’t add a dummy sidechain to the others ?

Synthi

@trickyflemming Loving and using all your plugins both in computer and iOS. My favorite delay mangler is sandman pro, will be ported to iOS too? Thanks!

EnvelopeFollower

silo and lo-fi-af are not fullscreen as auv3 in cubasis, the rest is fine.

amusesmile

@RetroNewb said:
@trickyflemming

seems having a sidechain makes device name longer , you couldn’t add a dummy sidechain to the others ?

It's funny but seeing that screenshot I realize this has bothered me for a decade but I never thought about it directly. I vote for taking UA on all future plugins.