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Incongruity, first attempt at Emvoice's Lucy

I was so impressed after listening https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52764/deep-blue-sky-gb-ios-with-vocals-using-emvoice I decided to buy Lucy. I had no idea those things existed. Maybe I should get out my cave every ten years.

Anyways, since I have absolutely no experience whatsoever in song writing or how to write music for a vocalist, I just improvised this short piece.

Comments

  • This is the uncanny valley for sound. Absolutely unnerving, although the harmony on the phrase "gaping wound" was kind of pretty.

  • Wonderful melody. I wish Lucy were iOS love to play with it. Like to hear @McD sing this

  • I saw @matdun25848834 's example first and now yours. Nice harmonies here. I can foresee this tech developing quickly; more voices; maybe emulations of "famous" voices at some point or at least more ranges of emotions. Lucy sounds pretty laid back but that will change I bet.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    Like to hear @McD sing this

    I think they're working on a McD emulation right now ;) along with our other forum vocalists.

  • @Stochastically said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    Like to hear @McD sing this

    I think they're working on a McD emulation right now ;) along with our other forum vocalists.

    We really need a parody font for the ABF, Musk’s Twitter and political messaging. “”I was robbed” said the monomaniacal looser

    I have not listened to Lucy yet… I’m still remember reading that Walter Becker of Steely Dan used a drum machine for his solo album “10 Tracks of Whack”. And yet he used his own vocals… That album by the way is as good as most Steely Dan Albums and Walter’s singing is really good as a character type. The lyrics are exceptional as one might expect. Walter left Donald and Donald’s albums sound like Steely Dan. Walter’s 2 solo albums sound like an artist deserving more recognition… there remind me of Leonard Cohen or Paul Simon for the quality of the lyrics.

    Carry on.

  • someone advised my to buy solaria Synth V.
    Seems that other voice is much better than emvoice. A little less uncanny. I found this on YouTube:

  • Just give me something I can use on my iPad!

  • emvoice could be used on the iPad since the sound is rendered on their servers. I already sent them an email about that. since they made an audio unit plugin, that shouldn't be hard to do for the iPad.

  • OK… I listened (to both Voice Synths). I could be fooled by these… like with staffpad the trick is to edit out anything that sounds faux until you get a faithful performance without funny artifacts.

    @jo92346 output here in the last few weeks is truly epic… probably a pent up backlog of work that was getting posted. Still, anyone one of them represents a huge amount of effort to avoid artifacts. The fact that most of the IOS instruments were hand crafted in NanoStudio2 and Audiolayer makes the work even more impressive and unique. Only @ScottVanZandt when he was using NS2 comes close to using IOS to make cinematic creations.

  • Both the female models in the artwork could be saying “Hey… my eyes are up here.” Oh well… cleavage will be with us as long as there are print ads and video. Victoria Secret commercials would have been considered porn in the 50’s when I was watching
    The first run of Twilight Zone and Alfred Hitchcock Presents episodes. Great themes… one was a re-cycled orchestral classic.

  • edited November 2022

    Thank you @McD
    Except building 4, made in 2004, and giants that I started earlier this year in cakewalk, all the other pieces I posted here on or YouTube were posted after they were done. Not necessarily finished though.
    I have music in my head that needs to go out. I write it down, sometimes record it, and until very recently just let all that go and disappear in the realm of forgotten stuff. Once it is done it is very hard for me to care of my music.

    You nailed it: one of the trick is to try get rid of all that doesn’t sound real or right, hence using the limitations of hardware and software as advantages.
    The other trick in obsidian sampler and AudioLayer is to cook as much as possible in the original samples and use real knobs and sliders (on external midi controller) as expression controllers. Obsidian can do that, but no RR. Easy fix: RR can be simulated with a CC assigned to another knob adjusting LFO, filter, attack or whatever else.

    Example a bit extreme: notice how a simple sinusoïdal wave form sounds more realistic when played with a breath controller than the best recorder sample played with a midi keyboard with no sensitivity curve.

    I also don’t quantize.

  • @McD said:
    Both the female models in the artwork could be saying “Hey… my eyes are up here.” Oh well… cleavage will be with us as long as there are print ads and video.

    F! I didn’t even notice or pay attention to that. I must start to get blind on top of deaf.

  • Listening to these singing voices since @matdun25848834 posted their creation last week —which I love regardless of the voice — has harkened me back to when I collected Hajime Sorayama cards around thirty years ago. For those who don’t know him, here is an excerpt from the Wiki:

    Hajime Sorayama (空山 基, Sorayama Hajime, born February 22, 1947) is a Japanese[1] illustrator known, along for his design work on the original Sony AIBO, for his precisely detailed, erotic portrayals of feminine robots. He describes his highly detailed style as "superrealism", which he says "deals with the technical issue of how close one can get to one's object."[1]

  • @jo92346 said:.
    The other trick in obsidian sampler and AudioLayer is to cook as much as possible in the original samples and use real knobs and sliders (on external midi controller) as expression controllers. Obsidian can do that, but no RR. Easy fix: RR can be simulated with a CC assigned to another knob adjusting LFO, filter, attack or whatever else.

    I was stumped on RR until a little searching: “Round Robin”. Need to catch up on apps that make this easy to hear the subtle changes that might improve the reality. Logically, it makes perfect since to have small variations between samples of the same note.

    I should get into expression controllers… I have been hacking on the MIDI output of an Artiphon Orba and getting into what I can do with the various CC’s it sends. CC=74 has some amazing morphs on the new Tera Pro which is also getting another wave table in an update so I wonder what CC74 will do then. The MID specs call CC 74 “Sound Controller” to change the VCF Cutoff Frequency and so Harry God’s implemented the config for his VCF I guess. This is a whole new realm of expression.

    This could get deep. Need to bring my Arturia Micro controller and use the knobs with my scripts.

  • @jo92346 said:
    I was so impressed after listening https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52764/deep-blue-sky-gb-ios-with-vocals-using-emvoice I decided to buy Lucy. I had no idea those things existed. Maybe I should get out my cave every ten years.

    thank you again for comments, and love what your doing with my mate Lucy :)

    it's a bit of a learning curve using these VSTs (and of course as had been said, an IOS version should be relatively straightforward). On the new track I'm working on, she was sounding too robotic, then she was too flat, and now I think I'm just about getting there. I think with adding some other effects to her voice, it would get better, but apart from a bit of reverb/chorus, I'm a bit lost on this.

    Still managed to convince some people on facebook that I had a new female vocalist joining me in my studio shed on these dark nights !! :)

  • The reactions to Lucy are interesting. The people I sent the audio reacted in very polarized ways.

    Some people have an epidermic hate reaction, ready to grab the pitchforks and burn Lucy for being (I quote) "a fake human voice, and synth voice are evil, sounding like a robot antichrist with no soul and NOTHING will ever match the human voice".

    Some people with very BAD earring think she's real. Come on... we aren't there. YET. remember the strings libraries 20 years ago?

    Some people thinks it's an interesting promising thing.

    In my opinion, Emvoice isn't close to synth V and some of the voices likes Solaria, BUT it has the potential to run on the iPad.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    This is the uncanny valley for sound. Absolutely unnerving, although the harmony on the phrase "gaping wound" was kind of pretty.

    The sound of that line reminded me of Judee Sill:

  • I see Lucy is now £20 off - I was hoping they would reduce Keela and Jay :( oh well, managed to use Keela in my latest creation anyway as the demo gives you 8 notes and it just so happened to be in the range !

  • Fascinating track… be interesting to see where the technology goes 🤔

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