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I’m looking for a midi sequencer for iPhone (must run on IOS 12 or earlier) that can set the loop length in seconds, and run loops of different lengths without syncing them.
I use Wotja, but it’s over-complicated and over expensive for this one purpose. I want something that runs in Audiobus, without its own unbuild sound source.
What would you recommend?
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It’s hard to say with the iOS 12 restriction.
Maybe Photon AU
Maybe Mozaic
Photon AU seems to be for iPad only, but Mosaic looks interesting. Do you have experience with Mosaic?
To be clear, Mozaic is a midi scripting app for which there are some looping scripts on patchstorage. It isn’t a dedicated midi sequencer
I don’t know of any midi loopers that let you pre-set a loop length in seconds. They might exist though. There are a lot of apps out there.
Thanks. Maybe I described what I’m looking for a bit wrong, it’s not so much about pre-seting a loop length, more like: repeat this note every 11 seconds, or repeat this phrase every 31 seconds. Mimicking a tape loop. Or a phrase sampler with a silent section in the loop. Wotja does it, and I could use audio clips with silence after the note in Koala, but that uses a lot of unnecessary memory. And Wotja is feature-heavy and expensive.
In PatternBud, you can set the step lengths in seconds or minutes. Maybe you can use it to trigger/control other sequencers.
In seconds may be kind of hard (without some tempo math), but I would try Cykle for something different lenghts
I'm gonna check if Quantum could do that... but I have to also check if it is iPad only or universal
Cykle looks very interesting. I can always get around the seconds thing by using 60pm and working in quarter notes, I suppose. Do you have experience using Cykle?
Maybe Atom 1, but that’s just an Au piano roll. All midi notes need to be entered, or recorded in.
Mozaic using the timer function which runs independent of the host
I was going to say https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/patternbud-midi-cc-sequencer/id1608966928 and saw that cem_olcay had also suggested it. It lets you create a number of steps where each step waits for n beats/bars/seconds/minutes and optionally lets you send a note/CC/PC at the start and/or end of the step via an action. The action can also jump to specific/random steps in the sequence if you needed that functionality.
Yea, sorry about not being clear on Mozaic. It does a lot of things. I know next to nothing about coding and use the app all the time for various midi things. There are almost 300 scripts on Patchstorage to download and use inside Mozaic. Each patch is a different function, a few are midi loopers, and then all kinds of different midi fx tools, generators, filters, sequencers, CC, PC, abilities etc…
I’m a big fan of @cem_olcay apps. Easy, quick, simple to use but very powerful for midi sequencing/generation/ETC, they are all lightweight on cpu. Check those out too.
This sounds very interesting. Does it also require another sequencer to send its instructions to?
PatternBud would in this case be used as an orchestrator for triggering other sequencers or sound sources, for example triggering Koala audio pads or maybe Atom 2 MIDI patterns. It could also send individual notes out directly to a synth.
Sounds good
Looking more closely at Patternbud, I’m a bit confused about how you would send notes directly to a synth. Doesn’t it only assign CC messages to its steps? How do you go about sending notes to a synth via CC? Is that possible?
You can also assign notes:
The standalone app has MIDI out, but you can also host it in a plugin host (e.g. AudioBus or AUM) and route MIDI that way:
Great! Thanks 🙏
I bought Patternbud, but using it for settings in seconds seems very difficult. Just to set a period of 30 seconds requires holding the “+” button down for almost three minutes. That seems insane to me. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a faster way? Is it possible just to type in the length in seconds, or to separate the setting for fractions of a second so’s you don’t have to run through 100 fractions for each second?
Is there a fast way to input seconds? Trying to input a setting of “30 seconds” resulted in me having to hold down the “+” button on the “Amount” setting for almost 3 minutes. Surely that can’t be right? Am I doing something wrong?
This drives me absolutely nuts and is unfortunately a common feature in Cem's otherwise often very useful apps. @cem_olcay please take a look at how that could be implemented better. Same with scale / key selections and other aspects I can't think of offhand. There are many UI/UX elements that are overly time consuming and cause user frustration 🙏
I also don’t seem to be able to save in the standalone version. Is that for real?
Strymbyter has a preset called nimble looper that lets you record and overdub loops of arbitrary length.
You could use it on whatever daw you like, i like drambo.
That's horrible, I'm sorry. I did an update on that, you'll be able to enter the input manually if you press on the value text. The update will be live soon.