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Akai MPK mini plus, midi clock sync not work

apanebiaapanebia
edited December 2022 in Hardware

Hello
I’m owner of an akai mpk mini plus, it has a sequencer and midi port in/out
but it does not send and receive midi clock, neither through midi (with Electribe 2), nor through usb (with aum, audiobus, korg gadget); when I press the play seq button on mpk the sequencer starts but does not send any command to Electribe via midi or to gadget or aum or audiobus set as slaves, nor vice versa if I set mpk to external sync.
I can't figure out if it's faulty, or if I'm doing something wrong in the settings (I don't think so since I've always used, for example, gadget, aum, audiobus, as a slave with arturia beatstep or the same electribe 2).
the only thing it does is get the bpm number from the electribe 2 when set to external sync, but not from the usb and related app loaded on the ipad.
Can anyone who owns it confirm that it sends and receives midi clock sync (stop/play, bpm tempo) via usb and midi?

Comments

  • wimwim

    I don't have one to test, but the first troubleshooting step I recommend is to route simply to a MIDI monitor such as Protokol or Streambyter (both free). Check to see if / what midi is being received without other app complications.

    You mention AUM as a slave. AUM doesn't slave to MIDI clock.
    iElectribe seems to get tempo from MIDI clock but as far as I can tell doesn't respond to start/stop.
    Gadget seems to be the same, though I could swear it worked before, so I could be doing something wrong.

    My point is ... if you try more than one thing at a time it clouds the picture when troubleshooting. It's best to start at the beginning of the chain. It should be easy enough to tell if the problem is with midi clock coming from the mpk, then take it one step at a time from there.

  • apanebiaapanebia

    @wim said:
    I don't have one to test, but the first troubleshooting step I recommend is to route simply to a MIDI monitor such as Protokol or Streambyter (both free). Check to see if / what midi is being received without other app complications.

    You mention AUM as a slave. AUM doesn't slave to MIDI clock.
    iElectribe seems to get tempo from MIDI clock but as far as I can tell doesn't respond to start/stop.
    Gadget seems to be the same, though I could swear it worked before, so I could be doing something wrong.

    My point is ... if you try more than one thing at a time it clouds the picture when troubleshooting. It's best to start at the beginning of the chain. It should be easy enough to tell if the problem is with midi clock coming from the mpk, then take it one step at a time from there.

    Thank you for your answer
    so i used midi check on ipad.
    pressing only the seq play/stop button does not result in any incoming midi message (clearly if you program a sequence with mpk mini plus it detects the programmed notes).
    I connected Electribe 2 via usb and pressed play on E2, midi check detects sysex messages midi clock.
    therefore akai mini plus is not defective but simply its sequencer has not been programmed to work externally but only internally to itself.
    the point is that when I wrote to akai support they confirmed that it sends and receives midi clock.
    I was also fooled by this videos

    but why it doesn't sync external bpm with apps on ipad as it does via midi with electribe 2?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @apanebia said:

    @wim said:
    I don't have one to test, but the first troubleshooting step I recommend is to route simply to a MIDI monitor such as Protokol or Streambyter (both free). Check to see if / what midi is being received without other app complications.

    You mention AUM as a slave. AUM doesn't slave to MIDI clock.
    iElectribe seems to get tempo from MIDI clock but as far as I can tell doesn't respond to start/stop.
    Gadget seems to be the same, though I could swear it worked before, so I could be doing something wrong.

    My point is ... if you try more than one thing at a time it clouds the picture when troubleshooting. It's best to start at the beginning of the chain. It should be easy enough to tell if the problem is with midi clock coming from the mpk, then take it one step at a time from there.

    Thank you for your answer
    so i used midi check on ipad.
    pressing only the seq play/stop button does not result in any incoming midi message (clearly if you program a sequence with mpk mini plus it detects the programmed notes).
    I connected Electribe 2 via usb and pressed play on E2, midi check detects sysex messages midi clock.
    therefore akai mini plus is not defective but simply its sequencer has not been programmed to work externally but only internally to itself.
    the point is that when I wrote to akai support they confirmed that it sends and receives midi clock.
    I was also fooled by this videos

    but why it doesn't sync external bpm with apps on ipad as it does via midi with electribe 2?

    We don't know. No one with one has connected it to a midi monitor and shared the data. Or carefully and systematically explored what is going on. Those videos seem to indicate that the play position of the sequencer may not correctly reset when the clock signal stops. It may be that another midi message needs to be sent to the Akai to reset it.

  • apanebiaapanebia

    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

  • apanebiaapanebia

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

  • apanebiaapanebia

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

  • apanebiaapanebia
    edited December 2022

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

    So in external sync I did several tests:
    connected via midi to the electribe 2 it receives the clock correctly but the mpk sequencer runs continuously even if the electribe 2 is not started, in practice the start/stop sync not work.
    With ipad: I use gadget that don't send themselves midi clocks. with aum and audiobus the midi clock sync is complete (start/stop&bpm) but i find synchrony defects when i go to record the mpk sequence on gadget.
    i also tried using link to midi app, converting ableton link sent from gadget into midi clock for akai mpk mini plus: app link to midi works very well but start/stop sync not work.
    if i set mpk to receive clock sync via midi from electribe 2, i can't send to ipad via usb because the geniuses at akai made it so that when i connect mpk mini plus via usb the midi ports not work.
    and a big mess with no solution

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

    So in external sync I did several tests:
    connected via midi to the electribe 2 it receives the clock correctly but the mpk sequencer runs continuously even if the electribe 2 is not started, in practice the start/stop sync not work.
    With ipad: I use gadget that don't send themselves midi clocks. with aum and audiobus the midi clock sync is complete (start/stop&bpm) but i find synchrony defects when i go to record the mpk sequence on gadget.
    i also tried using link to midi app, converting ableton link sent from gadget into midi clock for akai mpk mini plus: app link to midi works very well but start/stop sync not work.
    if i set mpk to receive clock sync via midi from electribe 2, i can't send to ipad via usb because the geniuses at akai made it so that when i connect mpk mini plus via usb the midi ports not work.
    and a big mess with no solution

    That is a bummer. I wonder if they hear from enough users if they might address these issues via a firmware update.

    If Gadget isn't involved and you just use AUM, are there synchrony defects also?

  • apanebiaapanebia

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

    So in external sync I did several tests:
    connected via midi to the electribe 2 it receives the clock correctly but the mpk sequencer runs continuously even if the electribe 2 is not started, in practice the start/stop sync not work.
    With ipad: I use gadget that don't send themselves midi clocks. with aum and audiobus the midi clock sync is complete (start/stop&bpm) but i find synchrony defects when i go to record the mpk sequence on gadget.
    i also tried using link to midi app, converting ableton link sent from gadget into midi clock for akai mpk mini plus: app link to midi works very well but start/stop sync not work.
    if i set mpk to receive clock sync via midi from electribe 2, i can't send to ipad via usb because the geniuses at akai made it so that when i connect mpk mini plus via usb the midi ports not work.
    and a big mess with no solution

    That is a bummer. I wonder if they hear from enough users if they might address these issues via a firmware update.

    If Gadget isn't involved and you just use AUM, are there synchrony defects also?

    it doesn't seem like it.
    recording on gadet the delay is minimal, the first run works well, the second goes out of sync.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

    So in external sync I did several tests:
    connected via midi to the electribe 2 it receives the clock correctly but the mpk sequencer runs continuously even if the electribe 2 is not started, in practice the start/stop sync not work.
    With ipad: I use gadget that don't send themselves midi clocks. with aum and audiobus the midi clock sync is complete (start/stop&bpm) but i find synchrony defects when i go to record the mpk sequence on gadget.
    i also tried using link to midi app, converting ableton link sent from gadget into midi clock for akai mpk mini plus: app link to midi works very well but start/stop sync not work.
    if i set mpk to receive clock sync via midi from electribe 2, i can't send to ipad via usb because the geniuses at akai made it so that when i connect mpk mini plus via usb the midi ports not work.
    and a big mess with no solution

    That is a bummer. I wonder if they hear from enough users if they might address these issues via a firmware update.

    If Gadget isn't involved and you just use AUM, are there synchrony defects also?

    it doesn't seem like it.
    recording on gadet the delay is minimal, the first run works well, the second goes out of sync.

    If this is the case, load gadget into AUM. Send midi clock from AUM to gadget and the Akai. Set gadget to external clock.

    You can now use AUM’s transport to drive gadget and the Akai.

  • apanebiaapanebia

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

    So in external sync I did several tests:
    connected via midi to the electribe 2 it receives the clock correctly but the mpk sequencer runs continuously even if the electribe 2 is not started, in practice the start/stop sync not work.
    With ipad: I use gadget that don't send themselves midi clocks. with aum and audiobus the midi clock sync is complete (start/stop&bpm) but i find synchrony defects when i go to record the mpk sequence on gadget.
    i also tried using link to midi app, converting ableton link sent from gadget into midi clock for akai mpk mini plus: app link to midi works very well but start/stop sync not work.
    if i set mpk to receive clock sync via midi from electribe 2, i can't send to ipad via usb because the geniuses at akai made it so that when i connect mpk mini plus via usb the midi ports not work.
    and a big mess with no solution

    That is a bummer. I wonder if they hear from enough users if they might address these issues via a firmware update.

    If Gadget isn't involved and you just use AUM, are there synchrony defects also?

    it doesn't seem like it.
    recording on gadet the delay is minimal, the first run works well, the second goes out of sync.

    If this is the case, load gadget into AUM. Send midi clock from AUM to gadget and the Akai. Set gadget to external clock.

    You can now use AUM’s transport to drive gadget and the Akai.

    Ok. thank you for the suggestion.
    I'll try it tomorrow and I'll keep you updated on the test result.
    Thanks again

  • apanebiaapanebia

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @apanebia said:
    I solved. akai mini mpk plus does not send midi clock messages from its sequencer, it can only receive them. test with aum and audiobus you need to direct the midi clock from the app to the mpk mini plus, set to mpk external sync and activate the play seq button. at that point pressing play from aum or audiobus starts the mpk mini plus sequencer.
    all of this can't happen only with gadget because you can't set the midi clock to be sent to a specific app or hardware, even if gadget easily receives midi clock sync play/pause as I remember I used to do with arturia beatstep or electribe himself. in fact you cannot send midi clock sync from gadget to beatstep or electribe 2.

    You can use an app that translates Ableton link to midi clock. Run such an app and direct its midi clock out to the Akai.

    There are a few such apps dedicated to that and Audiobus, AUM and Loopy Pro can do it as well.

    yes I already tried.
    app link to midi works very well, the problem is that at least with gadget it sends continuous midi clock and not start and stop messages, so you have to manually start sync gadget and the akai mpk mini plus seq.
    with audiobus and aum I find synchrony defects that may be due to akai mpk mini plus itself.

    I think the other person that posted about this unit had issues he could not get to the bottom of where it seemed the Akai did not always stay in sync or start from the beginning?

    This post?

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52871/can-external-sequencers-be-synced-to-loopy-pro-details-below-akai-mpk-mini-plus

    Yes.

    So in external sync I did several tests:
    connected via midi to the electribe 2 it receives the clock correctly but the mpk sequencer runs continuously even if the electribe 2 is not started, in practice the start/stop sync not work.
    With ipad: I use gadget that don't send themselves midi clocks. with aum and audiobus the midi clock sync is complete (start/stop&bpm) but i find synchrony defects when i go to record the mpk sequence on gadget.
    i also tried using link to midi app, converting ableton link sent from gadget into midi clock for akai mpk mini plus: app link to midi works very well but start/stop sync not work.
    if i set mpk to receive clock sync via midi from electribe 2, i can't send to ipad via usb because the geniuses at akai made it so that when i connect mpk mini plus via usb the midi ports not work.
    and a big mess with no solution

    That is a bummer. I wonder if they hear from enough users if they might address these issues via a firmware update.

    If Gadget isn't involved and you just use AUM, are there synchrony defects also?

    it doesn't seem like it.
    recording on gadet the delay is minimal, the first run works well, the second goes out of sync.

    If this is the case, load gadget into AUM. Send midi clock from AUM to gadget and the Akai. Set gadget to external clock.

    You can now use AUM’s transport to drive gadget and the Akai.

    ok.tried and perfectly synchronized.
    you have to properly map the transport controls of aum and mpk mini plus (play/stop rewind etc...) otherwise you still risk not recording the beats correctly.
    Also not loading gadgets like inter-app in aum still works but I think it needs to be done as sometimes it doesn't play gadget audio correctly.

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