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Cubasis worth it for M1 multi core use? It's on sale...
I typically use my iPad to jam and focus on AUM. I occasionally want to put things together more formally and will use Audio Evolution Mobile, usually to just arrange audio. But I know cubasis is the only host that currently uses the M1 capabilities. I'm looking to use a DAW more with ipad (usually use reaper of I need more arranging but it would be awesome to stick with ipad).
If you have moderate DAW needs but an m1, would you say it's worth investing into cubasis and investing my DAW attention there (and I generally don't get too inspired in DAW environments... Sometimes I literally just use audacity to layer audio then master, though I'm trying to expand).
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Yes.
What are you missing or what issues are you runing into when using your DAW now? If you work mostly with audio, that doesn't really push the hardware that much so you might not see a big increase in performance.
I use Cubasis but….If you’ve got a good workflow in AEM and you’re not running into a wall cpu-wise, then stick with that.
As the saying goes, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
True! I guess I should have said that I want to invest more in using a daw for production, and I guess since I have an m1, it seems like the only Dae that would let me use the 15 model d instances is cubasis. So I guess my plan is to do more actual sequencing and composing in a daw... When it's midi I have used gadget 2 primarily. I guess im wondering if graduating to more intense daw work will mean it's worth having a daw that can use the m1 cores if it's maybe 20% of my overall workflow.
I figure the answer is pretty much yes, but hearing ppl's thoughts is very useful.
How do people find the ui of cubasis vs a daw like AEM or garageband (my two saws that can handle audio) or NS2 and gadget (the two apps I use when I'm not using audio)?
More specific questions...
What feels slick? Clunky?
Where do you find yourself frustrated?
What is cubasis awesome at? Bad at?
my advice is go deeper in Gadget if you want to focus on sequencing and learn the audio gadget, Zurich.
I bought Cubasis for vocal recording and track grouping but I've made a few tracks on it with sequencing. Depending on the AU I'm using, it will crash in the middle of a session. Cubasis is awesome at being a desktop level DAW on iOS with AU compatibility.
Stability can be an issue but it's basically a solid DAW experience otherwise.
have you seen this man?
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/53235/new-track-danseb-empty-spaces-melodic-house-cubasis-3
Depends how much you enjoy pressing, holding, waiting, waiting, waiting and eventually adjusting.
There is no point in spending money on an iPad to make it more pro. The word pro has little meaning.
You’ll be better off using that money on a MacBook, that way you have the best of both worlds.
Cubasis 3 still has some pretty inconvenient bugs. I’ve opened a project where all audio tracks play at half-speed even though the project bpm remains as I left it. The only way I found to fix this problem is to restart the iPad.
I’ve also had an issue where the BPM of the project did change upon opening a project (back to default 120bpm), which is a huge pain in the butt if you’ve got a bunch of trimmed regions. If you set the BPM back to what it’s supposed to be, those trims don’t return to where you left them creating a lot of work to get back to where you were.
I’ve also had to make use of that setting where you have the app open to a blank project because it’s simply can’t open from where I left it, previously.
I've never had any of these problems, even with Cubasis 2. iPad Air 5, Cubasis 3. Power user. Hope you get it sorted...
^this track was made on an M1 iPad, and I use Cubasis because (as already mentioned) it's the only DAW that fully takes advantage of multi-core processing.
I came to M1 iPad from FL Studio on PC - In those days i used to finish the track, render to wav file, then start work on the mastering side of things. With Cubasis on iPad, I can apply the mastering plugins to the master effect bus without even bouncing down to audio. I'm using no less tracks or effects than I used to on PC either - the power of this tablet (with Cubasis) never ceases to amaze me!
Having said that, I do normally start to run into a bit of stuttering towards the very end of a project (increasing the latency normally fixes this) which suggests I'm approching the limits of the multi-core processor. For that reason I personally wouldn't use any other DAW (as I'd likely run into CPU issues much earlier).
So, yes, well worth picking Cubasis up whilst on sale, if you really want to take full advantage of the processing power of your M1 iPad!
iPad Air 2020 for me. I found other threads where these problems have been reported by others. Not sure how I could have caused them with misuse. I pretty much only use CB3 to track audio and mix.
I also use an iPad Air 4 (2020) and Cubasis 3. I’ve never experienced these issues.
You have a pro if I remember? I already own one..I'm not trying to make my iPad more pro. This is mostly about committing to a full ipad daw that makes sense for an m1 owner. I have a MacBook but really want to shift as much of my music to ipad only. I'm sick of working on a MacBook then playing in one later. Yes, it's great to have reaper, but it's painful for me to open a laptop after work these days. > @DanSebPage said:
Sweet track! What buffer do you usually use when you encounter stuttering?
This was my feeling... Just getting the daw that can use the processor. I guess I want to just pick a daw that can sequence and handle audio and stick to it. With the multiple cores, I thought I should just buy cubasis and learn it. But some of these bugs ppl mention sound really annoying...
The opposite of slick. > @FastGhost said:
So I um hate those things.
What daw do you think has a better UX? We all love NS2 but without easy to use audio (could never get used to using a sampler to play the audio... Too fiddly for me), it can't fulfull the full DAW duties I'd need.
NS2 is my main driver but I don't use a lot of audio I'm afraid so Loopy Pro / Loopmix / Egoist inside NS2 fill that role for me. I've been playing with Drambo as a DAW the last couple of days too, but it's such an alien workflow that it's slow going so far. I can see the potential though.
Thanks! I typically start a track with the latency selector set to 2.7ms (when playing soft-synths 'live' is most important) then gradually step it up a notch whenever it begins to struggle (depending on how processor intensive the track becomes), usually ending up on the 21.3ms setting (which actually ends up being around 90ms in total). This doesn't really matter too much toward the end of a track when you're really only in the tweaking/mixing stages anyway.
Cubasis 3 has a bad rap due to the fact that it was a disaster at launch and for sometime after. For some time now though, it has been the most stable DAW on iOS and the most full featured. People do love to complain about it but when I investigate these complaints I often find that they are old complaints and the app has come a long way since the issues reported. It doesn’t have everything though. None of the iOS DAWs do. It’s about getting the best thing for you. I find that doing anything creative on an iOS device always means jumping around between apps. But, where Cubasis 3 is way ahead of the pack is with multi core processing. It does handle far more AUV3’s at any one time than any other host. On my M1, it rivals Cubase 12 Pro on my desktop at times. I complete massive projects on it - huge songs, 60 tracks on a recent one. Another issue that causes problems with iOS DAWs is that users seem to want to leave all their AUV3’s in the project and not freeze anything. This is madness. Before I got the M1 and before multi-core processing was introduced to Cubasis, I could still complete huge tracks with the basic iPad 6th gen. I just had to keep an eye on DSP, freeze tracks as I went along. Now though, although I still swear by freezing all tracks before you do a final Mixdown, I am able to leave all my AUV3s open till that crucial stage. Cubasis 3 is in fact one of the very few apps on iPad to touch on tapping into the true power of an iPad like the M1.
Great post. Thank you.
@Jamie_Mallender : Great post indeed a d all true .. Muti core processing is to the best of my knowledge on the “To Do” list for AEM sometime in the near future . I think I saw Davey mention that on an earlier thread
I would love to see that, I do use AEM and I do rate it. For what it costs it’s absolutely incredible.