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Cubasis vs. Ableton | Is there a Ableton MIDI control app with rack macro support?

[Deleted User][Deleted User]
in General App Discussion

I have some gift cards that I'm going to spend on a couple of apps one way or another, just not sure which ones yet.

I'm aware of Touchable Pro, but haven't bought it because of the lackluster support from the dev in his own forum.

I'm currently deciding between trying Cubasis for track finalization and taking advantage of their sale or stick with Ableton which I already own and rather get some other creative plugins for inside of AUM instead.

My iPad Air 2 that I'm currently using is quite old, I bought it to be a space saving MIDI controller but I had such a good time with Koala that I'm using that + AUM for projects now.

LK and Touch OSC don't support rack macros unfortunately, and the old Launchpad app which would have worked is gone too.

Rack macro support is important for me to replace my APC controller, it enables auto mapping of the knobs of the racks/channel strips inside Ableton, which is essential for a mouseless workflow.

Is there maybe another solution?

And how does Cubasis perform on older hardware? How good are the native VCA compressors compared to Cytomics SSL G Bus/ Glue compressor inside Ableton?

Comments

  • wimwim

    IMO, stick with Ableton and spend your money on awesome plugins. Forget about trying to replace desktop DAW functionality on an iPad. You'll only end up always being bothered by the limitations, and chasing workflows that just aren't possible. But with plugins you'll be amazed at the quality, low price, and amazing selection available to you.

    Also, your Air 2 isn't going to get you very far with multiple track projects. It's just too underpowered, but is still great for jamming with synths and coming up with parts to be imported to Live.

    I also am still trying to limp along with an Air 2. What has accomplished that for me is Loopy Pro. With it I can set up projects far beyond my iPad's ability to run, saving to audio and sidelining plugins as needed as I go. Loopy Pro frees up the the processing while keeping everything ready to bring back in when I want to make changes or add parts. I can go on for hours, doing things that I could never get away with even if my iPad wasn't so ancient.

    Leverage the iPad for what it's good at (boosting creativity) and the desktop for what it's good at.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited December 2022

    Thanks wim!

    My current workflow looks like this:

    • Sampling/chopping in Koala
    • Resampling the Koala samples in AUM
    • Laying out some sequences in Koala with the resampled stuff in standalone mode to save battery.
    • Static mixing of the chops in the sequences from one or two Koala instances in AUM into 4 subgroups
    • Import the subgroup AUM recordings into Ableton for final mixing automation.

    I assume that Cubasis can handle the 4 recorded subgroup tracks from AUM, but I'm mostly curious about the plugins, or that I have to stick to internal plugins that I can't remove, or the automation experience. In Ableton I mix into the SSL Glue compressor which has a automatic release feature. My old Mac doesn't break a sweat in Ableton with my current workflow either.

    I really like the DDMF Channel Strip, this plugin basically runs the AUM static mixing show on all channels. Without it I couldn't keep it below 90% using similar plugins.

    I guess I'll try Cubasis first and demand a refund if it doesn't work.

  • musikeermusikeer

    You and your !#$% demands. What a charmer.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @musikeer said:
    You and your !#$% demands. What a charmer.

    You're imaginando demasiado.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @[Deleted User] said:
    ...
    LK and Touch OSC don't support rack macros unfortunately, and the old Launchpad app which would have worked is gone too.

    Rack macro support is important for me to replace my APC controller, it enables auto mapping of the knobs of the racks/channel strips inside Ableton, which is essential for a mouseless workflow.

    Is there maybe another solution?

    I didn't even know this existed in Ableton!
    And I'd say that controller support is rather up to Ableton, not the controller or app itself.

    https://cdm.link/2009/07/ableton-live-midi-remote-scripting-how-to-custom-korg-nanoseries-control/

  • uncledaveuncledave

    @rs2000 said:

    @[Deleted User] said:
    ...
    LK and Touch OSC don't support rack macros unfortunately, and the old Launchpad app which would have worked is gone too.

    Rack macro support is important for me to replace my APC controller, it enables auto mapping of the knobs of the racks/channel strips inside Ableton, which is essential for a mouseless workflow.

    Is there maybe another solution?

    I didn't even know this existed in Ableton!
    And I'd say that controller support is rather up to Ableton, not the controller or app itself.

    https://cdm.link/2009/07/ableton-live-midi-remote-scripting-how-to-custom-korg-nanoseries-control/

    I guess that controller vendors provide scripts for their devices, so they can claim that they are integrated with the DAW. I see these claims in their marketing material. So the OP felt that "LK for Ableton Live" should have provided that as well.

    Certainly, this is a graceful way of allowing a DAW to be integrated with an unlimited range of controllers. Define a scripting language, and allow anyone to create the script for their specific controller. It frees the developer from knowing about every controller, as Loopy Pro has tried to do.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @uncledave said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @[Deleted User] said:
    ...
    LK and Touch OSC don't support rack macros unfortunately, and the old Launchpad app which would have worked is gone too.

    Rack macro support is important for me to replace my APC controller, it enables auto mapping of the knobs of the racks/channel strips inside Ableton, which is essential for a mouseless workflow.

    Is there maybe another solution?

    I didn't even know this existed in Ableton!
    And I'd say that controller support is rather up to Ableton, not the controller or app itself.

    https://cdm.link/2009/07/ableton-live-midi-remote-scripting-how-to-custom-korg-nanoseries-control/

    I guess that controller vendors provide scripts for their devices, so they can claim that they are integrated with the DAW. I see these claims in their marketing material. So the OP felt that "LK for Ableton Live" should have provided that as well.

    Certainly, this is a graceful way of allowing a DAW to be integrated with an unlimited range of controllers. Define a scripting language, and allow anyone to create the script for their specific controller. It frees the developer from knowing about every controller, as Loopy Pro has tried to do.

    Absolutely, and I'm hoping for adaptable/customizable controller support in more iOS apps, including parameter feedback.

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