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Roland J6 question (especially as per AUM)
Got one of these nice little chord machines from Mrs. Goodyear under the tree, but am having trouble connecting it to anything, largely (no doubt) my own ignorance. However...AUM sees it but won't work (literally) and I get this error message.
Not expecting anyone to solve this, but welcome any thoughts (or just sypathetic confirmations etc 
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Does your iPad have a case?
@espiegel123 No. I'm afraid it doesn't
I have ordered a couple of different adaptor thingies in the hope that randomly fiddling about will lead me to a happy accident etc.
Bit of a pity there aren't many tuts out there on this thing (Loopop's is a good intro), manual is surprisingly vague and average....as ever, frustration sends me back to the iPad and software rather than hardware (just don't tell Mrs. Goodyear I said that
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I don’t get that problem with mine.
I am using USB C direct to the iPad. Maybe there could be issues if you’re using an adapter?
Anyway mine sits in the box waiting to be sold as you cannot kill the direct sound when connected via usb. Super annoying and limiting.
You are absolutely right; UCB C direct is indeed the way to go. I am still honeymooning so any limitations feel charming and creative until they're not
Can you elaborate?
I find I can route and manage midi and audio however I need in Cubasis…
I love the little J6 as a source of inspiration for chord progressions, as well as for the sound and (limited) manual control…
I want to silence the direct sound of the J6 and “software monitor” it. As far as I know this isn’t possible.
Yes, this is also how I use it (and for standalone tinkering). I love this little box.
Looks like a nice chord database in hardware form. I am gonna read the manual. In most cases after I read the manual my gearlust disappears. I guess Scaler 2 or similar apps do the same trick (that is without the Juno-60 synth). But I do understand knob tweaking that little Roland box could be a lot of fun.
I always had gearlust for a Yamaha QY-700, but that one is obsolete, compared to an Ipad.
Maybe I don’t understand your use case, but the J6 acts as a class compliant audio/midi interface that can control audio volume in three distinctly different ways:
1. Via the volume knob (which controls output volume and can be linked to USB send volume);
2. Via the menu that can separately control volume sent over USB; and
3. Via the menu that controls the J6 sound/pattern levels.
I have not found a scenario that I can’t get it to do what I want with those controls…
I also think it’s great for standalone tinkering, and like that I don’t get distracted by the myriad of other things my iPhone/iPad can do…
At first I wished that they had put a better screen to provide details of the various chord presets, but have actually enjoyed sometimes flying blind and discovering interesting chord progressions…
I love Scaler 2, and it can do a lot more, but needs me to have an iPad/Mac… I find the narrower focus of this little box seems to work well for me… I then take the progressions and/or patterns into Cubasis/Gadget/Ableton to explore further and embellish if they work… and the Juno synth sounds epic…
Yesterday I had been mostly bridging 27 years of music technology
The MIDI content of the songs I’ve created recently that are in Dobly Atmos spatial audio on the MacBook Pro in Logic Pro X, are being sent over piece by piece in real time record mode to the 1996 Yamaha QY700 into user phrases in patterns for each song
Took me a long time yesterday and I’d only got about halfway into the first song – I’ve got to get back to it shortly
On the other hand it’s already sounding quite like the equivalent parts of the real song as I made it, just using the built in XG sounds, so that’s encouraging
This is for using in live performances of my songs later on, so I don’t have to take a computer out, and it will drive small synths that I can carry on the tube (eg my Roland E-4 and J-6, yes I have one, keeping things on-topic, unusual for me)
Many QY phrases are available in the Yamaha mobile sequencer app
I’ve been tempted to get the QY pack for that
It is getting old though (though not as old as my QY700) which is a bit of a risk
Yes that looks like a lovely machine. I always wondered a lot about how it could help me composing music. I have never seen one second hand for a good price. At some point I ditched my hardware sequencers (Kawai Q-80, Roland MC-50, EMU Command Station) and lost interest in the QY-700. When I read you need so much time to get proper midi in it, I don´t envy you :-)
I have seen some youtube video about a guy warning not to buy all this tiny small box synthesizers, you will get stuck with these when you try to integrate them in a bigger setup. So I guess using a J6 stand alone would be best.
Oh and I forgot, Korg Gadget with the Nano Key Studio controller has an easy chord switch, the pads play chords in a chosen key and scale. That would or should come close to the J6 functionality.
Just picked up a J6 so hoping to get some use out of it with my other hardware.
So just to be crystal clear:
When using the J6 as a class compliant audio interface.
I want to only hear the J6 in AUM or Drambo. I don’t want to hear the direct J6 from the unit itself.
I want to be able to process it with my fx apps and not hear any dry sound in real time.
As far as I know there is no way to do this. I would love to be proved wrong here but I feel you are not understanding me.
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Verselab, I didn´t know much about that machine, but it looks promising. I am reading the manual at the moment. I don´t sing but play guitar, maybe I can use the Verselab as a modern version of an 8 track recorder.
But with Roland I always have the feeling the consumer stuff is jack of all trades, master in none, and this box is not cheap.
About the J6, I guess you have to feed the audio from the unit back into the Ipad with a second interface, to process the sound. Just like any other synth? And then (a little bit) latency is introduced.
Thanks for clarifying the issue, I didn’t understand that you were talking about real time signal processing.
You’re right, the limitation stems partly from the audio paths within the J6 - as well as from Apple’s stubborn insistence on only allowing a single audio output on iOS/iPadOS.
Perhaps with the inclusion of DriverKit in iPadOS 16 (for M1 iPads) developers will be able to get around these limitations?
In the meantime , the only viable work around would be to drive the J6 over midi and use a separate midi interface.
Well, I completed a whole song from Logic over to the QY700 and used up just under thirty user phrases, out of an available 99. That's no good, I need more user phrases than that, or else I'll have to start using the linear tracks just for repetitive sections like verse chorus etc (in fact I didn't use the linear tracks at all, and there's 32 of 'em, I just used one user pattern (parts A to G) with all those user phrases)
Another thing is I noticed a large amount of them had the first note clipped off. I can't be arsed to find out why, that's not supposed to happen, they'll just have to do as they are, it's not my fault.
At the end of it all I couldn't help shrinking away from the sound of it, it really does sound like a cheesy 80s demo song and I suspect that with GM (in this case the XG extension) there's really nothing that can be done about that. I don't intend to use the built in sounds (except maybe the drums, after all, all drums sound the same) but it is starting to put me off again. That and I'd have to go find a floppy disk soon to back it up (I do have some, somewhere).
I have been tempted by the Verselab but in reading about it it seems it’s really not for live performance (but then neither is the QY, but I was going to try). Oh well…