Again: SWAM + Geoshred - NoteOff-forgot

Satie

Hi,
again the problem, that the NoteOff gets lost, playing SWAM-instruments via Geoshred.
I thought I had a workaround but didn’t get it anymore.
Any suggestions?

Good luck for 2023!

McD

Can you describe a way to reproduce this? I like AUM. If you use it, an AUM project file would be useful to see how it’s configured.

I’d suspect MPE as a potential root cause since it sends out Note events on multiple MIDI channels. I have a Mozaic script I can add to display just the Note events.

Gavinski

@Satie said:
Hi,
again the problem, that the NoteOff gets lost, playing SWAM-instruments via Geoshred.
I thought I had a workaround but didn’t get it anymore.
Any suggestions?

Good luck for 2023!

I would contact both the geoshred devs (Moforte) and Audio Modeling directly, with as much detail as possible

GeoTony

Hi @Satie , @McD and @Gavinski… after seeing your post Satie I tried to reproduce the problem (I do have it every now and again) and can more or less reproduce it at will now.
I’ve been in contact with Pat at moForte and have sent some traces of what is happening.
Up to you if you want to contact him but thought I would let you know 😊

McD

@GeoTony said:
Hi @Satie , @McD and @Gavinski… after seeing your post Satie I tried to reproduce the problem (I do have it every now and again) and can more or less reproduce it at will now.
I’ve been in contact with Pat at moForte and have sent some traces of what is happening.
Up to you if you want to contact him but thought I would let you know 😊

Can you provide some details about the config? Is it just 1 GeoShred as MIDI keyboard into 1 SWAM instrument?
What is the GeoShred MIDI profile being used? Probably some MPE capable config but I’m curious to try and duplicate the note
Hanging. I wish AUM had a front of page “PANIC” button since I get a lot of note hanging while I’m hacking out Mozaic scripts.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@Satie said:
Hi,
again the problem, that the NoteOff gets lost, playing SWAM-instruments via Geoshred.
I thought I had a workaround but didn’t get it anymore.
Any suggestions?

Good luck for 2023!

I use Velocity KB to control SWAMs. It has its own quirks and limitations, but works easily with swam.

Gavinski

@McD said:

@GeoTony said:
Hi @Satie , @McD and @Gavinski… after seeing your post Satie I tried to reproduce the problem (I do have it every now and again) and can more or less reproduce it at will now.
I’ve been in contact with Pat at moForte and have sent some traces of what is happening.
Up to you if you want to contact him but thought I would let you know 😊

Can you provide some details about the config? Is it just 1 GeoShred as MIDI keyboard into 1 SWAM instrument?
What is the GeoShred MIDI profile being used? Probably some MPE capable config but I’m curious to try and duplicate the note
Hanging. I wish AUM had a front of page “PANIC” button since I get a lot of note hanging while I’m hacking out Mozaic scripts.

I would also like that McD, maybe put in a request with Jonatan, pretty sure it's something I already asked for a while back.

Satie

@McD said:

@GeoTony said:
Hi @Satie , @McD and @Gavinski… after seeing your post Satie I tried to reproduce the problem (I do have it every now and again) and can more or less reproduce it at will now.
I’ve been in contact with Pat at moForte and have sent some traces of what is happening.
Up to you if you want to contact him but thought I would let you know 😊

Can you provide some details about the config? Is it just 1 GeoShred as MIDI keyboard into 1 SWAM instrument?
What is the GeoShred MIDI profile being used? Probably some MPE capable config but I’m curious to try and duplicate the note
Hanging. I wish AUM had a front of page “PANIC” button since I get a lot of note hanging while I’m hacking out Mozaic scripts.

Ok: AUM, Geoshred as AU-Midi-processor, Midi-config „SWAM“. One or more SWAM-instruments, Midi-preset „MPE Default“ but with additions, Expression and Vibrato-Depth controlled via the xy-pad of Geoshred (CC113/114), Growl with CC109, Flutter with CC107.
Play around like a boss for some minutes -> hanging notes….

Greetings!🙏🏽🧔🏼👍🏽

Satie

@GeoTony said:
Hi @Satie , @McD and @Gavinski… after seeing your post Satie I tried to reproduce the problem (I do have it every now and again) and can more or less reproduce it at will now.
I’ve been in contact with Pat at moForte and have sent some traces of what is happening.
Up to you if you want to contact him but thought I would let you know 😊

Appreciate Your answer - like Your stuff on SoundCloud!!🙏🏽🧔🏼👍🏽

Icoustik

I can confirm I'm also seeing this regularly, playing SWAM with Geoshred, in Loopy Pro. Stuck midi note with lost note-off, gotta press midi panic in SWAM.

GeoTony

@Satie , many thanks 😊… the recommended settings are…
in GeoShred, MIDI OUT Preset number 21 I.e. MIDI Out iOS SWAM
In the SWAM instrument use the GeoShred Default preset.
This may help but won’t fix the issue which appears to happen (for me) if basically too much is happening at once in GS.
@McD what I have reported to Pat is that some sequence of note playing makes GS send its Pressure, Note On and Note Off messages in the wrong order which I have traced in StreamByter.

moForte

We would love to track down this problem. I've personally not seen it myself, but we need a way to reproduce it. I have one question for the group. Does everyone see this only with GarageBand, or are folks seeing it in AUM or Cubasis?

Thanks, -pat

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

GS routinely crashes on me when I play it too intensely. Sometimes it seems like it’s just passively aggressively asking me to dial things back a tad.

Blipsford_Baubie

For me the stuck note happens in AUM and Loopy Pro. I use the MIDI out preset much more frequently than SWAM, but for me it’s happening in MIDI out, regardless of the AU I am targeting. I’ve tried both mono mode and poly mode, guitar and keyboard.

GeoShred 5.936.1.1.1
iOS 15.6.1
iPhone SE 2

@moForte said:
We would love to track down this problem. I've personally not seen it myself, but we need a way to reproduce it. I have one question for the group. Does everyone see this only with GarageBand, or are folks seeing it in AUM or Cubasis?

Thanks, -pat

Icoustik

@moForte said:
We would love to track down this problem. I've personally not seen it myself, but we need a way to reproduce it. I have one question for the group. Does everyone see this only with GarageBand, or are folks seeing it in AUM or Cubasis?

Thanks, -pat

As mentioned above, seeing this in Loopy Pro, and AUM, consistently.
Playing SWAM with Geoshred. Stuck midi notes with seeminly lost note-offs, gotta press midi panic in SWAM< pressing panic in Geoshred doesn't work.

Satie

@moForte said:
We would love to track down this problem. I've personally not seen it myself, but we need a way to reproduce it. I have one question for the group. Does everyone see this only with GarageBand, or are folks seeing it in AUM or Cubasis?

Thanks, -pat

@moForte said:
We would love to track down this problem. I've personally not seen it myself, but we need a way to reproduce it. I have one question for the group. Does everyone see this only with GarageBand, or are folks seeing it in AUM or Cubasis?

Thanks, -pat

Until now- it happens in AUM. I will try it in Cubasis today.

Satie

@Satie said:

@moForte said:
We would love to track down this problem. I've personally not seen it myself, but we need a way to reproduce it. I have one question for the group. Does everyone see this only with GarageBand, or are folks seeing it in AUM or Cubasis?

Thanks, -pat

Until now- it happens in AUM. I will try it in Cubasis today.

Cubasis seems more stable for the MIDI-combination Geoshred/SWAM-Intruments. I only can reproduce the failure with AUM.