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Most appropriate multi-track audio editor for a podcast?
My wife is editing hours of interviews into a podcast series. She’s familiar with Lumafusion so she’s using that as her audio editor. It can get the job done, but I’m thinking there might be some features of another editor that can make the process more efficient.
She’s spending a large amount of time removing stammers, “ums”, “like” and other filler talk. Lumafusion simply isn’t that “surgical” as, even at maximum zoom on the waveform, it’s “snaps” one way or the other. It does have a basic EQ and can use Audio Units.
I’m familiar with several IOS DAWs for tracking music, but am not a heavy audio editor as I rehearse thoroughly so I will have to make minimal edits later.
She could get the following for free with family sharing:
- Auria which I would not recommend because of crashes and project recovery issues.
- Cubasis 3 which I wouldn’t recommend because you can’t vertically zoom without that dumb little slider that can only zoom in large intervals. A horizontal pinch and a vertical pinch do the exact same thing and that will be a serious issue if you are having to zoom in and out hundreds of times on a project. Then, there’s the multiple steps it takes to make a crossfade…
- I have Multitrack DAW but only ever used it for recording band rehearsals on my iPhone.
Any recommendations?
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Interviews, long form audio, podcasts
Ferrite
No pricier that a DAW but multitracks and designed for what she’s attempting with a DAW
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ferrite-recording-studio/id1018780185
Since you already have Auria, I’d go with that. I’ve only had it be crashy when lots or certain AU are involved. I’d expect it to be reliable for something like this.
I use Auditor for this type of editing, but if you already have Auria, I’d try it first.
Multi track DAW would be a bit fiddly for this type of editing.
Hi
I edit podcasts as part of my job so I understand the pain here. I do one where there are NO ums, ahs, grammatical errors allowed… so usually about 1000 edit/cross fades per 30 minute episode ( the host really shouldn’t be a podcast presenter!! Haha )
Perhaps look at an online tool like Descript … very interesting but not quite there for my needs yet. If I had to use a mobile device this is what I’d try.
But first … I don’t think an iOS tool is the first choice for this. Move to the desktop.
Second … make sure the software supports Ripple editing across tracks ( assuming your podcast has multiple tracks? ) so when you remove content, media automatically slides ‘down’ the timeline rather than having to be dragged. This one thing will save hours cumulatively during a detailed edit.
Many desktop DAWs (Cubase I’m looking at you ) don’t support this… or make it a multi step process which takes too long and is easy to mess up and get tracks out of sync.
Oddly video edit apps are the best at this kind of thing …. the developers really understand the importance of keeping lots of clips on separate tracks in sync.
The best solution I have found is Final Cut Pro… only on the Mac I’m afraid.
If you are editing the Podcast Mix ( multiple speakers in a single file ) the just drop the file on the timeline and use the blade tool to cut/delete , drag / nudge clip boundaries. Everything ripples into place and a singe keystroke can add cross fades . You can double click on the audio track to invoke sample accurate cutting. That’s as precise as you can get.
If there are multi tracks involved, create a “ Multiple Camera Angle” clip and drop the audio tracks in there . Add the Multicam clip to the time line and cut it like it was a single clip. Double click on it if you need to access the component audio and edit it individually.
FCP includes all of Logic’s plugins so you are set for EQ, Compression, De-essing etc. Plus FCP now has Voice Isolation which you can apply to source audio files to remove room ambience etc. It’s amazing.
I also download Simon Says, a Transcription tool which lives in FCP as an Extension.
I use this to send my unedited audio file ( a mix is best ) to SS which makes a transcription ( this is a paid service ). Then in the SS Web app I highlight ( they c all it Bookmark ) the text I want to keep. Once the transcript is marked up, I return to FCP and the SS extension , import the SS bookmarks and FCP marks the highlighted sections as “Favorites “ in the audio file. Now it’s easy to select all the Favorited sections and add them to a timeline. The first-pass edit is done. I have found no faster path to this stage… and I have looked hard!
This edit ( based on the transcript) is surprisingly accurate… you can leave out discrete words, pauses, in the transcript-mark-up, and they will be removed in FCP. However the “um’s & ahs” will still need attention. When people speak, words and sounds blend together and no amount of editing will fix it. I often end up digging around the recording to find a word or two to replace a word- salad that I can’t repair otherwise!
FCP, SS both have free trials so give a test run on 5 mins of content. FCP is deceptively deep so the details will require so learning , but once you have the moves down it’s incredibly fast…
Until the AI steps in and does it all for us. I can’t wait!
I had never heard of Ferrite. This looks like the ticket. I have been providing the intro and background/seque music, but I’ve just made the decision to help her out with the audio editing for as long as it takes to set up an efficient process.
We don’t have desktops and don’t plan on purchasing one. This is an iPad-only enterprise, for better or worse.
I’m curious what you think of this article about Ferrite being the best solution on any platform:
https://www.lifewire.com/ferrite-3-ipad-audio-editor-shows-what-pro-ipad-apps-can-do-6891233
Lumafusion supports ripple editing and does keep everything in sync. Now that I’m digging into this, I’m also realizing everything you’ve written about video editors being great podcast editors.
Simon Says sounds amazing. I’m looking to see if it’s available outside of FCP or if there is a competitive equivalent.
Agreed. I love Ferrite. Beats anything comparable on desktop too imo. When you’re tired of touching the screen, the keyboard shortcuts and mouse/trackpad support is great too
Ferrite is the multitrack audio editor that gave me the closest equivalent to what I‘m used to on desktop.
It‘s not perfect, but often there are easy workarounds for missing special functions.
(I‘m a much better cut/editor than a musician... and in Ferrite I could at least finish a test project, while in Auria Pro I simply threw the towel)
Initially Ferrite‘s toolbar is almost empty. You have to pick your functions from a list and arrange them to your taste.
+100 for Ferrite, especially with an Apple Pencil.
+100 on top of that. Ferrite is what you're looking for, Sabicas. 😎
Can Ferrite export multi track 24 bits stems and be used as a classic audio editor too?
Wooji's other app Hokusai is more of a classic destructive audio editor.
https://www.wooji-juice.com/blog/hokusai-vs-ferrite.html
Hokusai is a completely different approach. I had it before Ferrite and never got along with it.
I just use Logic when I need to comp and edit longer audio tracks…
…hopefully Apple will bring it to the iPad as well…
The current iOS DAWs and audio editors are still lacking in so many areas.
Davinci Resolve works in a similar way to Final Cut Pro on the desktop and have now released a version on the iPad. The desktop is amazing but I haven’t tried iPad version yet. They are iterating rapidly.
Ferrite natively records and exports in 16 bit audio for lossy formats. Lossless formats can be exported at 32 bit depth (never tested/looked up if you can record 32, and 24 is never an option, which is the only thing I don’t like about this app. Literally everything else is amazing. Love the UI, love the gestures/pencil editing. Just being able to plop myself on the couch and editing sound: super great. The strip silence function is very nice to have for vocals for non-talky audio as well. Like I said, only the IMO somewhat strange omission is the absence of a 24 bit depth option. You also can’t loop a selection, which I miss occasionally when building up my effects chain. A massive upside is that it has access to apple’s voice isolation auv3, which I use all the time. All in all I really like ferrite 3.
After watching videos of the various audio editors, I agree that Ferrite looks like the clear winner for features and efficiency in the scenario I described. Thanks for all of the comments!
I showed this bid to my wife and she metaphorically sh*t her pants with a mixture of excitement and relief.
Check out Descript as a cloud-based alternative to Simon Says.
https://www.descript.com/home-2
Just wanted to thank you for your detailed answer, it has been much appreciated!
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See new Ferrite thread: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/53767/ferrite-shortcoming-and-workarounds/p1?new=1