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FX for Microtonally Altering Pitch On-the-Fly

wired2moonwired2moon
in General App Discussion

I’m on the hunt for an FX app that will allow me to make fine adjustments in pitch to a sound source. Something that works on-the-fly. Several of the apps I have are great at making interesting noises/drones, but I’d like to make their output more musical by adjusting the pitch. I could apply a tuner in the signal to sense when i’ve hit on a certain note. Semitone increments are no use, it needs to be much finer than that; microtone level. I saw Eventide micropitch, which might work but it seems to be more about fattening the sound source. Any suggestions?

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  • GavinskiGavinski

    @wired2moon said:
    I’m on the hunt for an FX app that will allow me to make fine adjustments in pitch to a sound source. Something that works on-the-fly. Several of the apps I have are great at making interesting noises/drones, but I’d like to make their output more musical by adjusting the pitch. I could apply a tuner in the signal to sense when i’ve hit on a certain note. Semitone increments are no use, it needs to be much finer than that; microtone level. I saw Eventide micropitch, which might work but it seems to be more about fattening the sound source. Any suggestions?

    If only fine adjustments are required, you could use the 'tune' button in Toneboosters Voiceshifter. That works in cents. The main pitch knob works in semitones

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @wired2moon said:
    I’m on the hunt for an FX app that will allow me to make fine adjustments in pitch to a sound source. Something that works on-the-fly. Several of the apps I have are great at making interesting noises/drones, but I’d like to make their output more musical by adjusting the pitch. I could apply a tuner in the signal to sense when i’ve hit on a certain note. Semitone increments are no use, it needs to be much finer than that; microtone level. I saw Eventide micropitch, which might work but it seems to be more about fattening the sound source. Any suggestions?

    Eventide MicroPitch won’t do that. It’s a chorus effect.

    Maybe what you’re looking for is an auto tune effect? Does it have to be real-time?

  • wired2moonwired2moon
    edited January 2023

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @wired2moon said:
    I’m on the hunt for an FX app that will allow me to make fine adjustments in pitch to a sound source. Something that works on-the-fly. Several of the apps I have are great at making interesting noises/drones, but I’d like to make their output more musical by adjusting the pitch. I could apply a tuner in the signal to sense when i’ve hit on a certain note. Semitone increments are no use, it needs to be much finer than that; microtone level. I saw Eventide micropitch, which might work but it seems to be more about fattening the sound source. Any suggestions?

    Eventide MicroPitch won’t do that. It’s a chorus effect.

    Maybe what you’re looking for is an auto tune effect? Does it have to be real-time?

    Got it, thanks. Must say, I didn’t think micropitch was the answer after watching demos.
    Not autotune, I want to have tight control over the pitch whereas autotune detects and quantizes pitch automatically (albeit within user set parameters).
    Imagine droning noise that I want to tune dynamically. Real-time is what I’m after ideally but open to any suggestions. I have Cubasis and can pitch an imported sample up/down in cents but it’s super clunky
    I don’t really want to use play speed changes to achieve pitch change either, like a tape sim

  • wired2moonwired2moon

    @Gavinski said:

    @wired2moon said:
    I’m on the hunt for an FX app that will allow me to make fine adjustments in pitch to a sound source. Something that works on-the-fly. Several of the apps I have are great at making interesting noises/drones, but I’d like to make their output more musical by adjusting the pitch. I could apply a tuner in the signal to sense when i’ve hit on a certain note. Semitone increments are no use, it needs to be much finer than that; microtone level. I saw Eventide micropitch, which might work but it seems to be more about fattening the sound source. Any suggestions?

    If only fine adjustments are required, you could use the 'tune' button in Toneboosters Voiceshifter. That works in cents. The main pitch knob works in semitones

    Hmm ok thanks, VoicePitcher looks interesting - I’d never heard of it previously

  • michael_mmichael_m

    Have you thought about doing it in a host? If you have a host that exposes a pitch cc you could map it to a MIDI controller and use that (playback or recording).

  • wired2moonwired2moon
    edited January 2023

    @michael_m said:
    Have you thought about doing it in a host? If you have a host that exposes a pitch cc you could map it to a MIDI controller and use that (playback or recording).

    Which hosts provide this capability? AUM is my go-to and I can’t see it there.

    I’m intrigued by this. I’d have thought it would be down to the sound generator/instrument app to expose pitch controls rather than the host - the host would just ‘relay’ them

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @wired2moon said:

    @michael_m said:
    Have you thought about doing it in a host? If you have a host that exposes a pitch cc you could map it to a MIDI controller and use that (playback or recording).

    Which hosts provide this capability? AUM is my go-to and I can’t see it there.

    I’m intrigued by this. I’d have thought it would be down to the sound generator/instrument app to expose pitch controls rather than the host - the host would just ‘relay’ them

    The host won't expose pitch cc unless it is exposed in the app. But tons of synths and samplers have a fine pitch control which you could modulate either with an internal or external lfo

  • wired2moonwired2moon

    @Gavinski said:

    @wired2moon said:

    @michael_m said:
    Have you thought about doing it in a host? If you have a host that exposes a pitch cc you could map it to a MIDI controller and use that (playback or recording).

    Which hosts provide this capability? AUM is my go-to and I can’t see it there.

    I’m intrigued by this. I’d have thought it would be down to the sound generator/instrument app to expose pitch controls rather than the host - the host would just ‘relay’ them

    The host won't expose pitch cc unless it is exposed in the app. But tons of synths and samplers have a fine pitch control which you could modulate either with an internal or external lfo

    That’s what I thought. Yeah I’m aware of for example Lorentz’s microtonal controls, but I don’t want to be confined to just those synths as my sound sources, often it’s samples for example. Just to be awkward ;)

  • wired2moonwired2moon

    @Gavinski which samplers have microtonal pitch control? Could be useful here

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    Which app(s) do you use as sound source? File player?

  • KrupaKrupa

    The dRambo has a pitch module that isn’t linked to semitones…

  • wired2moonwired2moon

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Which app(s) do you use as sound source? File player?

    File player in AUM, Fieldscaper, loopy hd etc.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @wired2moon said:
    @Gavinski which samplers have microtonal pitch control? Could be useful here

    AASamplePlayer does, and only costs a buck! I love it. Be aware that when changing sample start and end points, any drag on the right half of the display will change end point, dragging on the left half will change start point

  • wired2moonwired2moon
    edited January 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @wired2moon said:
    @Gavinski which samplers have microtonal pitch control? Could be useful here

    AASamplePlayer does, and only costs a buck! I love it. Be aware that when changing sample start and end points, any drag on the right half of the display will change end point, dragging on the left half will change start point

    Oh boy, now THAT is a find! Thanks dude, perfect … assuming it does microtonal increments?

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @wired2moon said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @wired2moon said:
    @Gavinski which samplers have microtonal pitch control? Could be useful here

    AASamplePlayer does, and only costs a buck! I love it. Be aware that when changing sample start and end points, any drag on the right half of the display will change end point, dragging on the left half will change start point

    Oh boy, now THAT is a find! Thanks dude, perfect … assuming it does microtonal increments?

    Yep, it doesn't even have a semitones option so you have to use your ears. Set 2 identical ones up, play with the pitch on one, leave it alone on the other, should be fun!

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