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Tablature editor/creator that allows custom guitar tunings?

SabicasSabicas
in General App Discussion

The title pretty much says it all. I need one that easily lets me adjust tab between different tunings and does not confine me to tuning presets.

Comments

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    I am not 100% sure but I think Notion can do that.

  • vdk_johnvdk_john
    edited February 2023

    Notion lets you specify the tuning for each string

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/notion/id475820434

    https://notionmobilemanual.presonus.com/en/#Topics/04-Score Setup.htm

  • SabicasSabicas

    Great. Thanks!

  • wimwim

    Jam Maestro. Really nice though much overlooked app.

  • royorroyor
    edited February 2023

    Notion is pretty quick once you setup your tuning.. very good considering it’s free.. there’s IAPs but you don’t really need them..

    Reflow Write Tabs for pretty much any stringed instrument in any tuning.. yes, even your 3 string cigar box geetar.. 😁

    The new MIDIMorphosis 2 app if you don’t need the specific timing of notes or chords..

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    @wim said:
    Jam Maestro. Really nice though much overlooked app.

    One thing about JM is that as far as I remember it doesn’t support triplets (but I think you can change time signature at any point and work around it)

    @royor
    Reflow

    +1. I forgot about it and from what I remember it’s quite nice!

  • senhorlampadasenhorlampada

    I was gonna recommend Jam Maestro too and say that it does support triplets
    but maybe i'm tripping lol

    @JamMaestro sorry to tag you... but could you confirm?

  • SabicasSabicas
    edited February 2023

    According the FAQ, it cannot do triplets:
    “ This is an unlikely implementation at this stage. It would be no easy task, and would require some rethinking on how the sound engine works. Hardest of all however would be working out how to represent this graphically in the tab.”

    It looks like a great app, though. I need to arrange a melody into old-school blues fingerpicking, maybe in Open Dm or DADGAD tuning. I’m thinking Skip James “Hard Time Killing Floor Blues” maybe. Well, this is not the kind of stuff I usually do so I though it would be easier to arrange it, using an app, first and then learn to play it. I now realize I’d probably want to export each “track” to midi so I can share with a collaborator who uses a MacBook and GarageBand. It’d also be nice to hear what I’m arranging with somewhat realistic guitar sounds instead of typical basic midi patches.

    It looks like Jam Maestro would be better than Notion for this use. However, I don’t see an option to have a staff as well as TAB. Is that not possible?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Sabicas said:
    According the FAQ, it cannot do triplets:
    “ This is an unlikely implementation at this stage. It would be no easy task, and would require some rethinking on how the sound engine works. Hardest of all however would be working out how to represent this graphically in the tab.”

    It looks like a great app, though. I need to arrange a melody into old-school blues fingerpicking, maybe in Open Dm or DADGAD tuning. I’m thinking Skip James “Hard Time Killing Floor Blues” maybe. Well, this is not the kind of stuff I usually do so I though it would be easier to arrange it, using an app, first and then learn to play it. I now realize I’d probably want to export each “track” to midi so I can share with a collaborator who uses a MacBook and GarageBand. It’d also be nice to hear what I’m arranging with somewhat realistic guitar sounds instead of typical basic midi patches.

    It looks like Jam Maestro would be better than Notion for this use. However, I don’t see an option to have a staff as well as TAB. Is that not possible?

    Notion has built-in instrument s. Some are IAPs. It can export MIDI and also take input via MIDI.

  • SabicasSabicas
    edited February 2023

    How do you transpose in Notion? Can’t find it in the manual and online videos and forum posts all have a completely different layout.

  • vdk_johnvdk_john
    edited February 2023

    Select the notes, click on the three dots to show the menu. The last menu item should say transpose

    The icon with the up and down arrow in the tools that shows after you select some notes should do the same but can't remember if the icon is always there

  • SabicasSabicas
    edited February 2023

    @vdk_john said:
    Select the notes, click on the three dots to show the menu. The last menu item should say transpose

    The icon with the up and down arrow in the tools that shows after you select some notes should do the same but can't remember if the icon is always there

    Is it me or is it damn near impossible to use this with staff and tab together? Writing it out is fiddly but doable. I can’t find a way to stack notes of unlike duration in the staff. I have to add one note in the staff then another on the tab or it converts the first note(s) to whatever duration I added last. You then can’t delete one note out of a chord (or edits it’s duration), without deleting the whole chord. You can only transpose a bar and not a single note so you’re stuck with whatever you wrote or you have to delete the whole chord which then throws the rest of the bar off. Gonna try out Jam Maestro next.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Sabicas said:

    @vdk_john said:
    Select the notes, click on the three dots to show the menu. The last menu item should say transpose

    The icon with the up and down arrow in the tools that shows after you select some notes should do the same but can't remember if the icon is always there

    Is it me or is it damn near impossible to use this with staff and tab together? Writing it out is fiddly but doable. You can’t stack a whole note with a quarter note in the staff. I have to add one note in the staff then another on the tab or it converts the other note to whatever I added last. You then can’t delete one note out of a chord, without deleting the whole chord. You can only transpose a bar and not a single note so you’re stuck with whatever you wrote or you have to delete the whole chord which then throws the rest of the bar off. Ugghh.

    You can have mixed note values. In the notes palette, there are two icons on the bottom row that you use to tell it which voice you are editing. You can delete one note of a chord by long-tapping a note to select it and tap the eraser.

    You can also transpose notes by just dragging them up or down. It is often quicker than using the transpose command.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    It is a little fiddly to get used to at first. But, once you get used to how it works, I found it a lot quicker than writing things out by hand.

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    @espiegel123 said:
    It is a little fiddly to get used to at first. But, once you get used to how it works, I found it a lot quicker than writing things out by hand.

    Is that version 2? I like version 3 better, but you need to re-learn the user interface.
    However I mostly used it to experiment / mess around so far, not for actual work.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    Jam maestro
    I just grabbed MidiMorphisis2 even though I was on the beta, I like how well it tracked the notes I played even just using my devices mic. Watch @SecretBaseDesign new youtube videos. There are at least 2 new ones that go over the new app.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @royor said:
    Notion is pretty quick once you setup your tuning.. very good considering it’s free.. there’s IAPs but you don’t really need them..

    Reflow Write Tabs for pretty much any stringed instrument in any tuning.. yes, even your 3 string cigar box geetar.. 😁

    The new MIDIMorphosis 2 app if you don’t need the specific timing of notes or chords..

    You can play the timing with the on screen pedal or adjust the tab to reflect the timing.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    Just found this but more for piano
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/musicsketch/id1620119788

    Only $.29 a month $1.99 for a year iap

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @vdk_john said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    It is a little fiddly to get used to at first. But, once you get used to how it works, I found it a lot quicker than writing things out by hand.

    Is that version 2? I like version 3 better, but you need to re-learn the user interface.
    However I mostly used it to experiment / mess around so far, not for actual work.

    i guess you're right. i haven't upgraded. i didn't realize version 3 was that much different.

  • SabicasSabicas

    @espiegel123 said:
    You can have mixed note values. In the notes palette, there are two icons on the bottom row that you use to tell it which voice you are editing. You can delete one note of a chord by long-tapping a note to select it and tap the eraser.

    I don’t know why I didn’t try dragging the notes instead of deleting and rewriting or transposing. Dragging is much easier. Thanks

    I figured out how to add notes using those two voice icons. But tapping one note and making it, alone, turn orange then tapping the eraser still deletes all notes in the stack.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Sabicas said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    You can have mixed note values. In the notes palette, there are two icons on the bottom row that you use to tell it which voice you are editing. You can delete one note of a chord by long-tapping a note to select it and tap the eraser.

    I don’t know why I didn’t try dragging the notes instead of deleting and rewriting or transposing. Dragging is much easier. Thanks

    I figured out how to add notes using those two voice icons. But tapping one note and making it, alone, turn orange then tapping the eraser still deletes all notes in the stack.

    Possibly, they changed something in the latest version which I didn’t update to.

    Do file a report with them. It sounds like. bug and in the past I have had good luck contacting them to file bugs and find workarounds…sometimes it has taken a follow-up email as they are short-staffed (as are pretty much all support staffs)

  • royorroyor

    @Sabicas It works on my end with version 3. Occasionally I’ve had to quit the app + restart because something was not working as it should. That would pretty much fix it.

    Is this what you’re trying to do? Sorry for gif, my iCloud is full..
    Using 2 voices here. (The dotted half note is the 2nd voice)
    I choose a single note in a chord (stack) + delete using the eraser. I undo the change afterwards.

  • SabicasSabicas
    edited February 2023

    Here’s a GIF of my experience doing the same thing. After restarting ipad, it now deletes only one note of the chord. However, it still moves the other notes in the measure

  • royorroyor

    @Sabicas That’s normal behaviour.. the note you’re deleting is the only one in that voice (I believe you’re using more than 1 voice here) .. if it was stacked with other notes, it wouldn’t make the other notes move.. (as in my demo above) ..

    Solution is to replace that note with a rest (or notes) of equal time + then the other notes will move back to their location.. you need to fill that half note space with either rests or notes..

    It is kind of frustrating but you get used to it pretty quick.. just remember that each voice needs to fill the time of each bar with rests and/or notes..

  • SabicasSabicas

    _> @royor said:

    @Sabicas That’s normal behaviour.. the note you’re deleting is the only one in that voice (I believe you’re using more than 1 voice here) .. if it was stacked with other notes, it wouldn’t make the other notes move.. (as in my demo above) ..

    Solution is to replace that note with a rest (or notes) of equal time + then the other notes will move back to their location.. you need to fill that half note space with either rests or notes..

    It is kind of frustrating but you get used to it pretty quick.. just remember that each voice needs to fill the time of each bar with rests and/or notes..

    Yeah, I get it and can live with that.

  • JamMaestroJamMaestro

    @senhorlampada said:
    @JamMaestro sorry to tag you... but could you confirm?

    Sorry I'm late to the party on this! Been a while since I remembered to check in on this forum :D

    How you guys doing? @Sabicas did you find something that suits your needs in the end?

  • SabicasSabicas

    @JamMaestro said:

    @senhorlampada said:
    @JamMaestro sorry to tag you... but could you confirm?

    Sorry I'm late to the party on this! Been a while since I remembered to check in on this forum :D

    How you guys doing? @Sabicas did you find something that suits your needs in the end?

    I’m currently using Notion. Not perfect but does most of what I need.

  • AileromAilerom

    I guess it depends whether you need playback or not. I use the app known as Paper and an Apple Pencil. It's the easiest by far. I have Notion and a few others but this is the fastest and simplest way for me.

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