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Electric Guitar DI Instrument / Sound / Soundfont in 2023

vdk_johnvdk_john
edited May 2023 in General App Discussion

Hi,
I found a few old threads here on the forum, but would like to start a new one to summarise my findings and see if someone else in the meantime came up with another/better solution.

My requirements:

  • The same instrument should allow to switch between sustain and palm mutes
  • DI sounds (so that I can use an amp sim with it)
  • AUv3

Edit:
See this post for one of my favourite solutions :smile:

Solution 1:
bismark bs-16i with the flamestudios soundfonts; they used to be hosted at http://www.flamestudios.org/free/Soundfonts but the website is no longer available :cry: (edit: mirror here)

These allow to switch between palm mutes and longer notes based on velocity. Now that their website is no longer active it seems tricky to find this version online.

Bonus: there is also this soundfont -> https://freepats.zenvoid.org/ElectricGuitar/clean-electric-guitar.html#FSBS_Direct however right now I can't remember if it also comes with palm mutes.

Solution 2:
Decent Sampler + https://www.pianobook.co.uk/packs/rjs-classic-electric/

Not exactly easy to install (make sure you check the readme) and didn't manage to make it sound as good. It's possible to switch between palm mutes and longer notes via keyswitch (E1 / F1).

Solution 3 [?]:

Didn't manage to test this one yet, as I don't have AudioLayer, but someone here suggested importing the Standard Guitar SFZ by Unreal Instruments (https://unreal-instruments.wixsite.com/unreal-instruments/standard-guitar) into AudioLayer

I'm not sure if this would work with keyswitches. If anyone is using this ,could you please let me know?

I'll update this post with anything new I find / useful info :smile:

Comments

  • vdk_johnvdk_john
    edited February 2023

    ok I might have found a fourth option... this is using Piano Pro / Pro Keys from TAQS.IM (which unfortunately doesn't currently work too well with Drambo / Zenbeats).

    Anyway... I noticed this one allows to have up to 3 voices and you can assign velocity ranges to each one... So I put the mutes on lower velocities and then sent the output into TH-U... I'm attaching the result (a few bars from Metallica's F.W.T.B.T. - just let me know if I should replace it with something copyleft, but I'd consider it educational :sweat_smile: )

    (also, please note this is intentionally without reverb)

  • benlefoebenlefoe

    @vdk_john said:
    Hi,
    I found a few old threads here on the forum, but would like to start a new one to summarise my findings and see if someone else in the meantime came up with another/better solution.

    My requirements:

    • The same instrument should allow to switch between sustain and palm mutes
    • DI sounds (so that I can use an amp sim with it)
    • AUv3

    Solution 1:
    bismark bs-16i with the flamestudios soundfonts; they used to be hosted at http://www.flamestudios.org/free/Soundfonts but the website is no longer available :cry:

    @vdk_john good news. The links for the files at the Wayback Machine still work - I just downloaded them

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190225082958/http://www.flamestudios.org/free/Soundfonts#fsibanezac

  • wimwim

    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    @benlefoe said:

    @vdk_john good news. The links for the files at the Wayback Machine still work - I just downloaded them

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190225082958/http://www.flamestudios.org/free/Soundfonts#fsibanezac

    Thanks! I should have at least one of those somewhere. If I can download some more I’ll double check the license and in case put them somewhere.

    @wim said:
    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

    Thanks; added to my wish list!

  • NeuMNeuM

    @wim said:
    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

    I agree with this recommendation.

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    @NeuM said:

    @wim said:
    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

    I agree with this recommendation.

    Thanks!
    From the video I saw and the docs on their website, I’m not sure whether it also has palm mutes sounds?

  • NeuMNeuM

    @vdk_john said:

    @NeuM said:

    @wim said:
    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

    I agree with this recommendation.

    Thanks!
    From the video I saw and the docs on their website, I’m not sure whether it also has palm mutes sounds?

    It does mutes. Their guitars are an emulation that uses both samples and modeling, so it’s a blend of both worlds. In many respects I find it better than purely sampled sounds.

  • wimwim
    edited February 2023

    @vdk_john said:

    @NeuM said:

    @wim said:
    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

    I agree with this recommendation.

    Thanks!
    From the video I saw and the docs on their website, I’m not sure whether it also has palm mutes sounds?

    Yes, it does palm mutes.
    However I've only ever played Steel Guitar from the interface, not from any external controller. I remember with the previous version that playing with MIDI sucked. Hopefully it's better now, but I can't say from experience.

    As a guitar player, it's nearly impossible for me to feel any virtual guitar offering is adequate. My ears just can't stand them. Steel Guitar is the one and only exception I've found.

  • vdk_johnvdk_john
    edited February 2023

    @benlefoe said:
    @vdk_john good news. The links for the files at the Wayback Machine still work - I just downloaded them

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190225082958/http://www.flamestudios.org/free/Soundfonts#fsibanezac

    hi!
    I created a Github repo to mirror these in case they get removed from Wayback Machine:

    https://github.com/gdm-2112/electric-guitar-soundfonts

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    @wim said:
    Yes, it does palm mutes.
    However I've only ever played Steel Guitar from the interface, not from any external controller. I remember with the previous version that playing with MIDI sucked. Hopefully it's better now, but I can't say from experience.

    Thanks wim!
    I ended up getting it and I really like the sound! However the only way of doing "mutes" via midi programming is by automating the "damp" toggle which doesn't sound too convincing; not sure if there's a better way (I contacted the developer, but haven't heard back yet)

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @wim said:
    Yonac Steel Guitar Pro

    +1

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    ok, I found a couple more things:

    1) KQ Sampei supports SF3 <3
    2) I can convert SF2 to SF3 using Polyphone B)
    3) One of the guitars from FlameStudios exported in SF3 is only 20MB (vs 160MB in SF2) :o

    If you want to give them a go, I made the SF3 available here: https://github.com/gdm-2112/electric-guitar-soundfonts/tree/main/SF3/FlameStudios

  • wimwim
    edited February 2023

    @vdk_john said:

    @wim said:
    Yes, it does palm mutes.
    However I've only ever played Steel Guitar from the interface, not from any external controller. I remember with the previous version that playing with MIDI sucked. Hopefully it's better now, but I can't say from experience.

    Thanks wim!
    I ended up getting it and I really like the sound! However the only way of doing "mutes" via midi programming is by automating the "damp" toggle which doesn't sound too convincing; not sure if there's a better way (I contacted the developer, but haven't heard back yet)

    Yeh, while it's very playable from the interface, it's never been great at being controlled externally. The new version is better than the old one, but still lacking from that perspective.

  • mojozartmojozart
    edited February 2023

    SoundFonts AUv3 (note s) by Brad Howes?

    https://keystrokecountdown.com/extras/SoundFonts

  • NeuMNeuM

    @mojozart said:
    SoundFonts AUv3 (note s) by Brad Howes?

    https://keystrokecountdown.com/extras/SoundFonts

    So those links are for sound fonts which are not already installed in the SoundFonts app?

  • mojozartmojozart

    @NeuM SoundFonts is a general purpose player. The link above is "Developers Website" in the App Store listing for the SoundFonts app. These sf2 are not built into the app.

  • gardengarden

    What do the \r, \c, \s variants in the Fender soundfont denote?

  • vdk_johnvdk_john

    @garden said:
    What do the \r, \c, \s variants in the Fender soundfont denote?

    hi, sorry for the late reply!
    there are PDFs that come with the original soundfonts which explains it:

    The naming of the presets help to tell what the differences are. It is as follows:

    \s - at the end of the name means it has a long release time (sustained notes).
    \r - at the end of the name means it has reverb (from the soundfont player).
    \c - at the end of the name means it has chorus (from the soundfont player).

  • gardengarden

    @vdk_john said:

    \s - at the end of the name means it has a long release time (sustained notes).
    \r - at the end of the name means it has reverb (from the soundfont player).
    \c - at the end of the name means it has chorus (from the soundfont player).

    Thank you!

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @wim said:

    >

    As a guitar player, it's nearly impossible for me to feel any virtual guitar offering is adequate. My ears just can't stand them. Steel Guitar is the one and only exception I've found.

    This is all that needs to be said on this topic.

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